Would these sea steads have a military?

(adam ulbrich) #1

Would these sea steads have an active military?

(Gavin Brown) #2

Well mine would have a security force, think star trek style. They would carry out basic police and security duties but when required man the battle stations and fight invaders off. All weapons would be designed as point defences/ short range. Nothing to attack another sovereign nation.


Basically what Gavin said. I was thinking more of the Swiss style where everybody is trained as militia for defense, and maybe a couple guys just doing regular police duties. It obviously depends on the size of the seastead though, and location.


Depends on what gets built, and by whom. At small family scale, there really is no need. So far, nothing has been built.


If I create a ocean colony that got reasonably large than it would have remote control guns and as I have already messed around with homemade weaponized drones, sure they might not be able to take on a modern navy but should be good to take care of pirates and things like that but I expect the only ones who would most likely attack a seastead to be existing nations anyway.

There’s always the option of private defense companies too. Like the ones already hired to protect cargo ships

(adam ulbrich) #6

private companys would be to expensive in the long run

(Larry G) #7

Compared to what?

Risk management has a framework and formulas. One is that the cost of mitigation is justified when the estimated cost of damage from an incident (D), multiplied by the probability of that incident happening § exceeds the cost of mitigation (M).

So if the incident is sinking of your $10M seastead, and the probability (on an annualized basis) of the particular scenario that would cause it to sink is 5%, then any cost of mitigation up to $500k/year that reduces the risk to 0, is clearly justified. More complex, if the cost of mitigation is $300k, but reduces the risk to 2% chance per year, then that would be justified.

Expense is always relative.


The thing with private defense companies/contractors is that the people working for them are experienced and more or less have a system down as it would be bad for business if pirates took over a ship, so unless the seastead has very experienced persons in combat/fighting move in and live there than a security company might be a safer bet.

And if something does go wrong than most private defense companies almost always has direct connections with military forces insuring rapid response which may be a good or bad thing for a independent seastead, but it would add an extra layer of protection.

(Matias Volco) #9

In many a Caribbean island they use water pistols to shoot at opportunistic tropical birds snatching cocktail snacks. If birds colonize an open air lens shape we can recruit a children militia, that is lit. an infantry unit, to keep them in line.
if that’s not enough we can always have an enclosed laser tag fantasy dome

(Wilfried Ellmer) #10

The “need for a military” will be about the same as at Disneyland and Carnival …so a couple of nice guys in fancy uniform, driving an electro scooter, people can ask for the way when they get lost- maybe.

Relevant Hypothesis in this context:

• Seasteading is a Child of the Enlightenment Movement (ref 534)
• Humanity is starting doing things different ( ref. 943 )
• There are things which rapidly become obsolete in our world ( Kings subduing people by military force - a custom of the dark ages - should be one of them) - smarter forms of human interaction are taking over - quickly - hopefully fast enough to save the human project from the brink of desaster.
• Seasteading will be part of the solution - not part of the problem.

@Matias - nice picture ! congrats...
**context**: Military is [obsolete](http://concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/t57838040/blockchain-technology/?page=1#comment-59038232)


Security Personnel – Disney parks employ over 1200 security professionals who patrol the grounds and control access at various checkpoints 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. According to some reports, you may not even see some of them. Undercover security members dress as tourists and watch guests inconspicuously for suspicious behavior, communicating with uniformed security via disguised two-way radios. In addition, every cast member is trained to be on the lookout for security.

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Security is a bit different from a military in this case. They’re more like police and border control in Disney. It’s not like they’re on hand to invade Universal Studios or something.


Classic formula. Thanks for pointing that out.


Tell that to the shipping companies, when the “lost-maybe” Somali pirates come asking for help finding “the way”.

Or … go float a multi-million-dollar seastead in the Straits of Malacca and see how well “a couple of nice guys in fancy uniform, driving an electro scooter” works out in real life.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #18

The hypothesis that violence and enforcement is necessary for society to function was coined and refuted in several threads …

emergent law

violence in marine relations (somali pirates | navies | practical solutions)

In the reality of marine traffic the violence generated by four somalies in a boat is neutralized by four leased mercenaries paid by the insurance company to escort the ships beyond the reach of the somali pirate activity - no shot fired - somalies became aware of proactive measures and went out of business voluntarily - happens as we speak on a dayly base - no use for military whatsoever just for a “proactive container insurance company protecting its assets against burglary” on certain shipping routs. - nope - no valid argument for the rise of the military approach through seasteading.


Hmmm … somebody forgot to send that memo to all the combatants around the world.

Your claim is BS, Elmo.

After living, working, and consulting in 50+ nations and 20+ conflict zones …

… I still haven’t found the idiot who wanted to stake his life on your ignorant claim.

I’ve met a bunch of fools who were willing to risk the lives of other people

… but never anybody who was willing to actually be the first clown to lead that parade.

Your turn, Elmo. Dazzle us with more of your brilliant analysis about security. Perhaps you can introduce yet another logical fallacy into the dialog. :open_mouth:

Or, maybe you can find a way to turn the entire comment thread into another of your endless commercials for your “alliance”. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Either way, it would just be more Elmo BS.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #20

@BobDohse | The thing is - you can only “have a debate with me” if you say something intelligent - worthy to debate - you have not done that yet - so i am waiting…any hypothesis ? - worth paying attention and dedicate time to…?

Evolutionary Context | Seasteading | Ocean Colonization
SRS (SRL) - the first project

Of course! Libertarians love a militia. :wink:

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I panic. Just how Dad died. Wrong place, wrong time.
He wears camo pants and a bandolier over his bare chest. He has a full beard, an orange beret and black boots. He is not wearing a shirt. His belly droops over his beltline.
What do you say to a half-naked ammosexual?
“Speak up!”
“I am Rudi,” I reply softly. “The Analyticist.” Thinking a moment I add, “A free person.”
“State your business!”
I am trying to get out of here. “I am on a temp project to model the economy. To improve resource management. I am here to talk to BillyBub.”
His gun drops. “Stand down, Taz,” he commands the dog. “I’m Colt, a free person of Freedonia,” he says to me.
I remember seeing him last night. “You were the one with the Ten Twemes.”
He smiles. “We worked hard on that,” he says. I look at him, rather than the muzzle of his gun. Clearly, he believes in freedom from shaving. “Do you think it can work?” he asks.

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