What could someone without qualifications, skills, or expendable finances offer this project?


(Larry G) #21

http://www.bahamasfoundation.com/


(.) #22

My idea would be more like sailboats around a platform.
The platform would be a

" … design of means for people to earn a living, and create a co-op business model for
maintaining the facility too…"

The bigger sail boat , the better. May be 50 footers.
Boats can attach and detach from platform as skipper pleases.
Private and personal space and property would be in the boat, and the boat itself.


(Bob LLewellyn) #23

Spark, living in boats around a business core is phase one of the Marinea Project, if you go to this page
https://marinea.org/marinea/
and click on the pull down for phase one, you will see a picture that I took of the initial project’s business center, a refabbed construction barge. Phase two will grow from there but phase one is the original “proof of concept” that will put seateading and ocean colonization on the map and in the history books.

Before taking it out to the project site, we’ll have a new protective material applied to the bottom and landing platforms fixed to the sides for additional docking.

As for business, or a way to make money, there are so many of them, but farming will probably be one of the more popular methods. It really won’t cost very much to live at sea, you can generate your own power and work from home.

Myself, I’ll stay with robotic investing. It has been productive and stable so I feel comfortable letting my robots earn a living for me. Anyone can do that so there’s one answer. TheSafeInvestor.com There are also annuities for those that prefer a fixed income.

Teaching is another occupation in demand. My degree is in mathematics so I naturally migrate to this type of back up idea but we will need welders, and boat repair people, can you teach that? I would think most any skill could be taught so that’s another way to make money. You don’t have to be board certified to teach, just to know what you are teaching. Divers will be very busy, learn to dive.

Rescue and other emergency services, professional gamblers, prostitution, restaurant services, small motor mechanics, and if that isn’t enough to get you started, drop me an e-mail with what you like to do and we’ll find a job for you.

Making money is easy, keeping some government’s hands out our pockets is tough.


(.) #24

Thank you Bob;

I am not planning to go to the East coast for a while.
I am on the pacific side right now. I guess, I will have to start something from here.
I think, I am going to try boat building.

Pictures are nice about phase one…

Mathematics is cool. I am more into chemistry (no drugs for me). I have a degree in
chemistry. And sometimes I do small chemistry stuff like seawater electrolysis.
Other times I build things like a temperature gravity wheel, that would work for OTEC.
(ocean thermal energy conversion)
Other than that, I do some sailing. I am planning to do some fishing.
I am learning scuba diving.

I will let you know how the boat building project is going.


(Larry G) #25

Spark,

What type of boat? I’m fascinated with the idea of Thor Heyerdahl’s Kon Tiki raft experiment and how something similar could improve upon that with modern materials, a better understanding of marine propulsion and building principles, and a modern wind power technique.


(.) #26

Sail boat. Experimental, so have to be careful testing it.
Lots of life wests and dinghy.

I like the Thor Heyerdahl stuff too: Kon Tiki and Ra.
Modern wind prower things a nice too.

Synthetic foam and fiberglass probably. I wrote about it in my blog.
I made a few models, and I put pictures of it too in there.

I called it the jenga idea.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/AquaticLifestyle/conversations/messages/125

Now, I am planning to make a 17-19’ sailing dinghy.

The idea would be that it is possible to keep building the hull bigger and bigger even when
the hull is in the water. I am interested about the idea of the fuselage. There is a lot more
consideration. I do not want to wear out my welcome, and I do not want to hijack the topic.

And it is very much ground floor for someone without qualifications, skill or experience.
Experimental, for me, it means that if it is not good, than will have to be improved.

I would like to call my blog: “pacific wave”.


(.) #27

wax worm farming

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170424141338.htm

Wax worm caterpillar will eat plastic shopping bags: New solution to plastic waste?

Generally speaking, plastic is incredibly resistant to breaking down. That’s certainly true of the trillion polyethylene plastic bags that people use each and every year. But researchers reporting in Current Biology on April 24 may be on track to find a solution to plastic waste. The key is a caterpillar commonly known as a wax worm.


#28

Been known for several years, but the waste-product is still toxic…


This Bug Can Eat Plastic. But Can It Clean Up Our Mess?
Scientists have discovered that wax worms can eat plastic bags. Could that help us reduce plastic pollution?

To rule out munching action from their jaws as the source of degradation, the team applied a soupy blend of recently deceased worms to the plastic and waited. Sure enough, they found the liquid larvae could also eat holes in plastic. This told Bertocchini and colleagues that an enzyme in the worms or the bacteria living in and on their bodies was dissolving the plastic.

That enzyme converted polyethylene into ethylene glycol, a chemical commonly used in antifreeze. Bertocchini hopes to identify the precise enzymes that break down polyethylene in future work.


From: Wikipedia Ethylene Glycol -

Biological routes[edit]
The caterpillar of Galleria mellonella has the gut bacteria’s ability to degrade polyethylene (PE) into ethylene glycol .[9][10][11]

Yang, Jun; Yang, Yu; Wu, Wei-Min; Zhao, Jiao; Jiang, Lei (2014-12-02). “Evidence of polyethylene biodegradation by bacterial strains from the guts of plastic-eating waxworms”. Environmental Science & Technology. 48 (23): 13776–13784. doi:10.1021/es504038a. ISSN 1520-5851. PMID 25384056.

Bombelli, Paolo; Howe, Christopher J.; Bertocchini, Federica (2017-04-24). “Polyethylene bio-degradation by caterpillars of the wax moth Galleria mellonella”. Current Biology. 27 (8): R292–R293. doi:10.1016/j.cub.2017.02.060. ISSN 0960-9822.

Khan, Amina (April 24, 2017). “Stubborn plastic may have finally met its match: the hungry wax worm”. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved April 25, 2017.


(.) #29

Yea, I thought the ethylene glycol is not too good, in case feeding the worms to fish.
May be in the arctic.


(.) #30

I wonder how much diesel fuel can be made out of an elephant seal.


(Larry G) #31

And mealworms will eat EPS… styrofoam, expanded polystyrene.

But back on topic:

https://www.gov.uk/seafarer-skills-and-training
http://seafarerinternationalllc.com/training.php


https://muse.jhu.edu/article/553147
https://www.uscg.mil/nmc/regulations/NVIC/NVIC_2014/nvic_15-14_ce_and_2eo_4000_hp_or_more-encl-4.pdf



https://maritime.college/Seafarer-Training.php
https://www.marinerslearningsystem.com/captains-license
https://www.mptusa.com/captains-license.cfm

Even basic first aid training is useful:

https://maritime.college/Maritime-First-Aid-Coastal-Marine-Medic.php

Any skill with tools, hand or power can be useful. A few years back when I was researching work in the Alaskan fishing fleet, good cooks could find preference. Food handling experience is a safety and health issue.

Knowing radio procedures was worth a mention, having a HAM radio license (almost free) also. Playing guitar or something like that is worth a mention.

Any OSHA-style training is useful- e.g. confined space or fall protection procedures.

SCUBA is a useful skill and not super expensive to learn.

Small engine maintenance and repair- you can learn this from books, manuals, and youtube.

Learn some knots: http://www.animatedknots.com/

Nobody should be completely lacking in skills. the main thing is to look for proactive was to apply what you do know, learn more useful things all the time, and have a cheerful, willing attitude towards being useful.


(.) #32

Body surfing can teach a lot about the waves.
For example: I have never drank so much sea water before.


(Larry G) #33

(Bob LLewellyn) #34

Larry, are the prices of those courses correct? Might like to put them up on the board for any mariners that would need them. I paid more for my truck endorsements.


(Larry G) #35

Those are model courses, which a trainer can choose to base their particular program on. I listed them for an idea of what kinds of training are out there. Taking a proctored training is a bit more.

Most of the offerings I see are a few hundred dollars each for given course, perhaps $300 to $750 for things ranging from Basic Seaman Training to Captain’s license for 100 ton vessels.

A maritime training institute basing their offerings on IMO model courses is another Seastead business model.


(.) #36

You could go to a marina, or look at marinas on line, and decide if
the 'life aquatic" is for you or not. A boat can be purchased for less money
than a house. Sometimes there are abandoned boats, sometimes there
are impounded boats possible to bail out for little money.

It is interesting that often the same boats get impounded again and again.

Other times, it is possible to buy a boat for little money, put some work in
it and sell it for the same price, or a bit more. That way, there is not much
loss. Students usually have the summer off. A summer vacation in a
liveaboard marina might sound good. The contraindication is that at the
beginning of the summer boat prices are up, at fall prices are down.
It is still possible to make it cheaper than rent for the summer. Not to
mention that the apartment does not sail anywhere.

Some places it is possible to moore a vessel for $150/month, or store it
on dry land on a trailer. Teaming up with someone could lower expenses
even more. Next summer, it can be done over again.


#37

Useful thread, I’m in a similar position to the original poster, being without aquatic/sailing skills or qualifications& limited in finances, though a long time since I was college aged.
The link to seafarer sailing looks particularly interesting and surprisingly cheap, I’ll definitely look into that as the first step into seasteading


(.) #38

Cut seaweed. Dry seaweed. Sell it as animal feed.


(Chad Elwartowski) #39

When I was in Ho Chi Minh I was amazed by the amount of capitalism going on in a communist country. The amount of family run shops would put a US city to shame.

I had breakfast one morning on a street corner. This lady would bring her little table with a little gas burner stove with a pot that she cooked all of the food in, had bread in a bag and some water for washing things. She had a tiny table with small stackable plastic chairs (like the kind kids use) that she set up and we ate on.

Best breakfast I’d had in a long time and it only cost me about $3.

Everything she used could be broken down and carted off at the end of the day.

Maybe you and a friend could have a fish cart, your friend goes out and catches the fish and you cook it and sell it.


#40

A crafty entrepreneur might turn this into a ‘class’ or ‘camp’ to teach seasteading skills.

Perhaps that could morph into a reality show. :joy: