TSI has no working project


(noboxes) #1

This is not a site with a working project. Despite multiple opportunities and requests, TSI has steadfastly refused to do or be anything.

Check out the yachting forums and clubs, where people are already living on the water in their own boats. Check out the boating in the canals there in UK, BBC has dozens of interesting shows (Great Canal Journeys, etc) on it. There’s informal “colonies” of houseboats on several rivers that run into the GOM, especially in Louisiana, the usa PBS has shows about them.

But TSI is not affiliated with any of them, and TSI has no interesting in providing any information to anyone interested in living or working on the water.


UK Physicist wanting to learn more about seasteading
UK Physicist wanting to learn more about seasteading
#2

Welcome Philip

I also believe that seasteading can be conductive to a social and political-economic “shift”. But, as Spark well put it, for all

There was/is a lot of “focus” around here on building-investing in seasteading as a business, but very little in terms of outlining a comprehensive “seasteading philosophy” conductive to that socio-political-economic “shift” I have mentioned above.

Personally, I’m an advocate of a block chain supported societal-political-economic seasteading infrastructure alternative to capitalism or socialism. :wink:

LOL. Seasteading IS a project in the works and this site is for networking. Stop bashing TSI just because they didn’t built a seastead and roll the red carpet just for you,…

The only active seasteading projects that I know about are https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/, a spin off from TSI and http://reefstead.weebly.com/ my own project.

I guess both a work in progress,… :slight_smile:


(noboxes) #3

And then Octavian went on to not mention any project TSI is doing. Or could be doing if they wanted to. Their only presence is this site as a public relations item and tax writeoff.

Agreed. But beware: mentioning anything new or unusual and people will jump you and beat on you if they cannot defeat your idea. And there’s a lot of newbies rehashing old disproved concepts, and those believeing whatever they see in the press without doing their own research.

He’s trying to talk about me, but he hated my idea of using a floating drydock as a roro transport too. He may as well attacked me for having icecream for dinner and lasagna for desert. His arguement has no logical standing, but he ran me off just the same.

And really, how many times can you encourage people to waste time and money building boats with ice and sawdust? If they were serious, and not trolls, they’d just go do it, and report back with 8x10 glossy pictures and data.


(.) #4

I am in warm climate. Ice melts here. I cannot do iceboats.
I like the warm climate. I do not want to move to icy climate.
I have to find different building materials. It is OK with me.


#5

Incorrect. I did say:


(noboxes) #6

That doesn’t count at all. TSI didn’t initiate it and has no dog in it.


#7

Incorrect. I did say:

Also, please note that ANYBODY can participate in the project https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/tokensale.

And, if you read their Whitepaper, it seems that they got it down to quite some reasonable construction cost @ around $75/ sq. ft, which in my book, if that is “turn key”, it’s a pretty damn good price. If sustainable, of course.

My only concern is that the SEACOIN is not pegged to a fiat currency. Why not to the CHP franc- french polynesian franc, it would make A LOT OF SENSE… Says I :slight_smile:

WHY:

If money is pored into the SEACOIN (and of course it will) and if pegged to the CHP franc, the value of CHP franc WILL GO HIGHER, therefore the value of the SEACOIN (since pegged) WILL GO HIGHER.

Now, the CHP franc and the SEACOIN, both, have more buying power.

Using a fluctuating SEACOIN as a “wannabe fiat” in the seasteading ecosystem will create constant inflationary forces (inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money – a loss of real value in the medium of exchange and unit of account within the economy) that will weight down on the overall social-political-economic stability of such seastead.

Unless, of course, I might have gotten something wrong and somebody can prove me otherwise :smile:


(Larry G) #8

Not just you. And I have no problem with using a floating drydock as a roro transport in calm waters. Never said I did. I mentioned that the expense of moving it might be significant, that it might be required to have licensing and insurance that would be difficult to get.

And I haven’t run anyone off, evidenced by you are still here.


(noboxes) #9

I was talking about another forum.


(noboxes) #10

Did you know the Polynesian project is just about dead? The government changed hands the end of 2017, the agreement expired, AND the agreement was to explore the idea, NOT to actually build anything! Joe Quirk said the seastead was to be about the size of a soccer field, and be home to 250 people, meaning each person would have approx a 17x17 ft space to live and work and have basic life support. This bedroom i am in atm is bigger than that! And it didn’t cost me $75 per sq foot to build it either!


(noboxes) #11

It IS going to fluctuate wildly, and you can bet your last buck it will be very low at tax time in the usa. It reminds me of mining towns in Appalachia and the western usa in the 1800’s, and cotton towns, where the only stores in town accepted only company coins, and the employees were paid only in company coins. No one had any clue what the value of a can of beans or a shovel was outside the town, the company coins were worth nothing outside. I must think that financial behavior is illegal in the usa now, and Blue Frontiers must be thinking they can get away with it.


(noboxes) #12

By the way, Joe Quirk, when asked about the fantastical cgi images of seasteads online, said to ignore them if they were not part of TSI or Blue Horizon. Yet this is still on TSI’s front page:

For me, that image alone blows TSI’s credibilty out of the water.


#13

Without access to funding for design, modeling and testing, let alone full-scale construction, the entire prospect is fantasy.

While TSI has focused on an attempt for protected waters, members have tried to configure realistic approaches for solving a wide variety of the problems we have discussed in this forum.

In many ways, Seasteading should be the logical step before such things as the Mars Colony stuff floated by the US and Russian governments. If we cannot solve the logistics for something on this planet, it will be a fatal disaster for something like a Mars Colony.

Essentials:

Food -
I.M.T.A. (Integrated Multi-Tropic Aquaponics/Aquaculture)

Organic Hydroponics

Compost Gardening (@katontri proposed this and @Noboxes preferred method)

Waste Handling - Very few have considered anything other than collect and treat elsewhere, or, most suggest sterilize and dump. My own idea is to use Anaerobic digestion as treatment, energy resource and to utilize the effluent in Organic Hydroponics. Another proven method would be composting and using that in gardening.

Environmental adaptations, to make protected areas for Aquaculture

Design and Structure Consideration, for expected environmental conditions have been discussed, my preferences being the Sparbuoy design, Tension Leg Platforms and the Ramform Hull

Water - Several well documented methods, including reverse osmosis and evaporation from seawater and condensing for freshwater supply have been discussed.

Energy - Solar, Wind, Wave-power, OTEC, as well as the far-fetched use of Nuclear reactors have been discussed.

Probably the best materials discussion has been regarding Geopolymer/Basalt-Reinforcement alternative to Ferrocement.


#14

Maybe it’s time for a policy change,… I’m REALLY getting tired of their nonsense.


(Chad Elwartowski) #15

The Seasteading Institute is working on the Floating Island Project, they have a signed Memorandum of Understanding with French Polynesia to create a Special Economic Zone in one of their protected waterways. They have branched off a company, Blue Frontiers, to provide oversight for the project in getting a pilot platform up and running.

Many careers will be necessary for the seastead.

For a physicist, the best focus could be how to transition from sea to space down the road.

But initially it’ll be more like a frontier town. In our modern time the immediate jobs will have to do with getting high speed Internet to the seastead.

Another challenge we have been looking at has been growing food on the seastead. While it seems like a no-brainer (just grow it on the seastead), the initial space will be high cost (living on a prototype) which means the cost of growing an acre of wheat would be a lot more than getting it from a farm. And raising cows for meat is a whole other story even if some company made a barge for cows.


(Philip Mousley) #16

I think that the work being carried out looking at both lab grown meat and plant-based alternative protein sources could carry over very well to seasteading projects. One issue however is that i think a lot of the groups researching them are part of for profit companies so any breakthroughs in technology will likely be patented.


(noboxes) #17

How did you not read the posts by myself and JL_Frusha on how that project has folded? The government of French Polynesia has declared the agreement expired and void, and never gave permission to build, only to study.


(Chad Elwartowski) #18

We have looked at the lab grown meat solution and are impressed to see that the price per burger has come down to a fairly reasonable “$10/burger” range (as of the latest numbers on the Internet 2 years ago).

For being in middle of the ocean that’s cheaper than I pay at a Tahitian restaurant.


(Chad Elwartowski) #19

As I sit here in the Blue Frontiers headquarters (watching the waves roll in on a beautiful sunny morning) in Tahiti…I beg to differ :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


(noboxes) #20

Why would you want to grow (specifically) wheat and cows? I mean, there are other grains and meats. Plus, some designs of a seastead have acres of flat roof suitable for farming.