Seasteading, Sovereignty & Citizenship


Cruise ships are far from “independent units” or “in the same class as a canoe”.

Just in the US, the legal restrictions on cruise ships are huge … and have been for almost a century.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #26

@BobDohse | @auditorium |
In the US the legal restrictions for just about ANYTHING are huge … this is why almost anything that matters is looking for moving out of US jurisdiction…:+1: starting with the silicon valley billionairs…and all important industries…you name it…

For cruise ships the easy way to step out of US jurisdiction is to fly a flag of convenience ... and operate in the Caribbean - what is the default modus operandi. They call their floating cities "Freedom of the Seas" and similar names...Port of registry: Nassau, Bahamas...and build them in the Turku Shipyard, Finland...
Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. is an American global cruise company incorporated in Liberia and based in Miami, Florida. It is the world's second-largest cruise line operator...etc...etc...


And …

Therefore, @ellmer

… the second quote proves your prior claim to be false.

It’s a rare day when we are in agreement, but I’ll consider it as an early Christmas present. :yum:



Perhaps you should learn a bit about the laws regarding cruise ships…

Cruise Laws

International Cruise Industry Regulations and Laws - Court Case Filings Involving Cruise Lines - Court Cases Affecting Cruise Industry

Cruise Laws International

SOLAS - International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, 1974, as amended (SOLAS 1974)

… and even canoes…

The International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 (COLREGS) are published by the International Maritime Organization (IMO), and set out the “rules of the road” to be followed by ships and other vessels at sea, including powerboats, sailboats, inflatables, kayaks, canoes, sculls and dinghies. COLREGS can also refer to the specific political line that divides inland waterways (subject to one set of navigation rules) and coastal waterways (subject to international navigation rules).

Although rules for navigating vessels inland may differ, the international rules specify that they should be as closely in line with the international rules as possible. In continental Europe, the Code Européen des Voies de la Navigation Intérieure (European Code for Vessels Navigating Inland, or CEVNI) apply. In the United States, the rules for vessels navigating inland are published alongside the international rules.

The Racing Rules of Sailing, which govern the conduct of yacht and dinghy racing, are based on the Colregs, but differ in some important matters such as overtaking and right of way close to turning marks.