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#4

To the best of my knowledge, the pdf is nowhere else on this site. If you want serious discourse, then you need to accept good source documentation. IIRC, your claimed field of expertise is ferrocement. I’ve researched and documented everything I’ve posted. If @RandolphHencken decides it’s a crap post, then he can remove it.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #5

@JL_Frusha - sorry - my fault - i erroneously thought i might get best results in fullfilling the thread purpose when talking to you as if you where a normal person…suceptible to reason. ( it is not about posting your stuff it is about misplacing it where it is not supposed to be what is a poor service to the seasteading community ) a link would be acceptable - a 3 page clutter avalanche not. - but that is just my opinion - i probably should leave the seasteading forum - so i do not have to deal with angry people like you anymore - over time many valuable voices did… six pages of frusha clutter… please please do not “answer this and clutter further” ( probably a futile request) can we have a frusha free space here ? (probably a futile request)…i feel frustrated…


#6

So, the thread is NOT about Offshore Aquaculture? Then why did you name it that? Maybe you should think, before you randomly open a topic.

Unless you’re a member at Researchgate, you may not have any other access to that document on Aquaculture, I had to convert from pdf to jpg, and upload here, as a good source of information on the topic. As for the blurb from the IMTA thread, that was system generated.

However, if your goal is to open a topic in such a way as to exclude me, maybe you should try your own forums.


(Matias Volco) #7

Thanks for the link Jeff, as a matter of fact anyone may freely read the text here
as well as the references such as this one which mentions a test site within a coastal inlet. I wonder how IMTA would adapt deeper offshore with different patterns of nutrient dispersal.


#8

When I joined, you had to have an affiliation with a university, or organization. Must have changed the policy over the years.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #9

The future of fishfarming is the open ocean | @Matias - wonderfull video - nailing it to the point - what a great contribution to the thread topic !

This sistem goes beautiful with the ocean sphere habitat for the maintenance crew on long drift voyages… two spheres drifting along housing and job for a family…


Modern fish farm
#10

You know, that’s probably why we don’t get along. You raise sand over me posting anything, even helpful, and on-topic, simply because it’s me, but damned if you don’t suck up to everyone else, just trying to spread your hatred for me, even though we’ve only ever ‘met’ online.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #11

… the hatred is only in your head - i just want a frusha free space here to make progress on the thread topic that is different…you are barking up the wrong tree…you are choosing the wrong target…this is just confusing and a bit annoying for anybody who is not in your head…maybe sabrina can help. ( i am still trying to talk to a “non existant” normal person? - @sabrinabenso can i have some orientation on that )




That is not “big business some day” - that is big business TODAY



#12

Then go post in your space. Easy-peasy.

So, someone can look up and make a shorter link to the Aquaponics paper I posted, big woop. I shared someone else hard work in your thread and you got bent out of shape, because it was me. Put on your big-boy undies and grow up.


(Matias Volco) #13

Ocean Ranching (Schooling?) sure will be a lifestyle!!!
The most entrepreneurial farmers could even travel to affluent cities and sell the crop live to fancy restaurants :wink:

Living it on the range: Ocean Sphere Habitat and Ocean Farm


Instead of importing the fish larvae and feed from land , could Ocean Hatcheries and plankton mills be established in floating ponds (light plates) inside the protection of an artificial floating harbor?


Ocean Drifters - Fish Ranchers with support harbor on the background for logistics, transportation hub, hatchery, feed stock and some misc commercial services.


Could this combination afford Massive Open Ocean Aquaculture?
http://nautilusmaker.discoursehosting.net/t/massive-open-ocean-aquaculture-projects-human-survival/285/4

Visualizing an Open Ocean Farming Settlement


Modern fish farm
Long stay cruise ships
Picture the Ramform | get invested | get started | oceanic business alliance
(Wilfried Ellmer) #14

@Matias - a spectacular work ! Visualizing is an important task . I see what you give us here is just a “appetizer” the complete version is on floatingislands


Just for the record there are many other designs that can be part of such a floating marine cluster, and other business fields too. Starting with a fish factory. A repair facility. Med center. etc...etc... such a aquaculture cluster has a realistic chance to grow organicly to a city over time. Just like the cattle farming settlements on the american frontier[.](http://discuss.seasteading.org/t/seasteads-with-role-dedicated-purpose-islands-fasttrack-progress-islands-industrial-production-islands/1054)..

Other designs are feasible too | As it was mentioned in the video above "the violence of the ocean decreases EXPONENTIALLY with depth…


For both the cages and the habitats… all kind of loose and rigid clustering of units is on the table… Neil Sims from velella always mentions that the weakest part of the sistem is a surface boat constantly beaten up by the ocean waves - waves find their way to break things…in his conferences he is talking about “running it like a space station” …


[quote="Matias, post:13, topic:1631"] Ocean Ranching (Schooling?) sure will be a lifestyle [/quote]

@Richtrish1967 - I am missing Richard as a contributor in this conversation, sadly he was shued away by the “angry doodler coalition” in his first posts on this forum back in august 2015… (his comment was “so many angry people on this forum”) -



And there was another guy living on a floating ocean farm in Singapore - very active in the first forum version, with expert aquaculture posting - also gone… those two (and some others now gone) where probably the closest thing to a real world active ocean rancher the forum had a chance to talk to…and more important LISTEN too…and learn from…

(Wilfried Ellmer) #15

a bit different approach to a “fish cage solution”

Enormous scale is possible feasible and tested already (Ecofisk Tank) | with improved concrete composite shell methods a composite that is weight neutral in saltwater is doable.


(Matias Volco) #16

Could those concrete frames double as buoys and ocean fencing?
Surveillance, testing and feeding equipment might have something to hold on to that way reducing either propulsion or lines, or the need of a boat

Permanently operating the above support boat on below´s conditions doesn´t look either profitable or fun


in this context the picture of Ekofisk looks like a giant version of existing aquculture pens.

The bottom could be mostly solid (if trapping sediments, scrap food and waste, is desired) like an artificial seabed where lobster, sea urchin and cucumber might dwell and take shelter,

Closed Containment could also be an option to further alter-control conditions


Indeed it would be helpful to listen to the opinion of someone already doing open ocean aquaculture.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #17

@Matias i think the foto of the tuna rearing cage in “average open ocean conditions” makes the point quite clear…

You definitly do not want to have stuff on the surface where the ocean is most violent …"break fatique etc… decreases EXPONENTIALLY with depth | run it like a space station (Neil Sims Velella) |

another design for an oceanic fish cage…

Surveillance, testing and feeding equipment … need to become part of an “integrated underwater operation” or have the protection of a big ramform that does all the wave breaking and handling…and is at least 3 times wave size to exlude wave action in its lagoon featrue…

If you can not do aquaculture near a port due to the contamination you need to get the port out to the open sea… or make the operation port independent and shelter independent for good.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #18

In a near future all human activity and production needs to be 100% closed cycle based - ocean drift cages are just a intermediate solution that buys a couple of decades and allows to get there…


(Wilfried Ellmer) #19

The big five business fields of ocean colonization: | oceanic transport | oceanic energy | oceanic real estate | deep sea mining | oceanic aquaculture |

The size of those business fields is just outlandish - oceanic aquaculture will have to supply something in the range of 14 billion meals per day (leaving land based agriculture at 7 billion meals per day). That is a market worth to “invest in”.



Tuna collapse demands for pasture management not hunter regulation
(Wilfried Ellmer) #20

Oceanic fish pod “run it like a space-station” … (ref 879)

The Housing solution is a submarine…instead a surface boat beaten up by the waves…compared to Ben Franklin a higer degree of mobility (for the oceanic housing solution - not the drift cage) is convenient.

Ben Franklin hosted a crew of 4 for a month in a transatlantic drift dive … the hull we built in Cartagena is twice the size of Ben Franklin…(ref 345)


(Wilfried Ellmer) #21

Offshore Aquaculture investment yield


Base Hypothesis:

• Seasteading is investor driven business development on an evolutionary path
• Seasteading is a “must do” for getting the human project over the next 2 decades (ref.327)
• Investor interest is key - get rid of nonsense talk is good to keep investors interested
• The real important developments are in Atoms not Bytes (Thiel)
• Seasteading is the way of excellence to interference freedom and productivity
• It is important to come to phase 1 investor key conversation (ref 354)



(Wilfried Ellmer) #22

Offshore aquaculture development can be combined with energy and mining development taking advantage of the mid oceanic ridges…this elevates its investment rating.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #23


• Oceanic Aquaculture is key to human survival | sustainability |