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(Larry G) #21

Cost of living in Curacao is 22.09% higher than in United States (aggregate data for all cities, rent is not taken into account).

Cost of living in Honolulu is 70% more than the national average.

The cost of living for expatriates / professional migrants in Nassau as at 1 September 2016 is very high in comparison to other places in the world.

In Nassau, the cost of each basket, based on local prices, compared to the international average, is categorized follows (Exact cost of living percentages only available in personalised reports):

  1. Alcohol (where available) & Tobacco: Very High
  2. Clothing: High
  3. Communication: Very High
  4. Education: Very High
  5. Furniture & Appliances: Very High
  6. Groceries: Very High
  7. Healthcare: Very High
  8. Household Accommodation: Very High
  9. Miscellaneous: Very High
  10. Personal Care: Very High
  11. Recreation & Culture: High
  12. Restaurants Meals Out and Hotels: Very High
  13. Transport: High

Nassau is for example 33.7% more expensive than Brussels for groceries, 144.3% more expensive for household costs than Belize, and 8.2% more expensive for transport costs than Belmopan.

Cost of living in the Bahamas:
The cost of living in the Bahamas is
fairly expensive.
Like any island most
goods have to be imported. The Bahamas levies a duty on most products. The duty rate varies greatly from product to product and is subject to change at any time. In addition, the cost of shipping the products to the island increases the cost of goods.

A rule of thumb to use is whatever the product costs in Florida you can multiple that cost by 1.85 and that will
ultimately be the cost you pay in the Bahamas.

The more remote the location, the higher the cost. Hawaii has better prices on most things than the REpublic of Marshall Islands, for example. Deep, protected harbours allow those massive container ships. Small places don’t allow for it, and don’t justify it in terms of volume.

(Matias Volco) #22

no doubt, but perhaps you ought to compare inland remoteness vs maritime and fluvial remoteness in a symmetrical way

So many island microstates and so few inland microstates.

(Larry G) #23

So many island micro-states, so many coastal states that have virtually no traffic going to them (green circles).

Compared to many large coastal nations, and larger island states that have enough population to make ocean shipping profitable. (Red Circles)

(Matias Volco) #24

Beachsteading Uruguay is a good example of that sweet spot between connectedness and remoteness.
Montevideo Airport and natural Harbour are a well developed gateway to the World, but Uruguay’s coastlines are still mostly completly virginal and underpopulate. Many spontaneous homesteading efforts have thrived over the last decades given Uruguay’s security and good vibes.

(Larry G) #25

Imagine what US traffic patterns would look like without the Jones Act prohibiting cabotage.

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(Wilfried Ellmer) #26

:relaxed: funny…jajaja…any (well informed practical) analysis how that one “panned out” since the twenties? when “politicians invented the idea”…(ref.67)…(ref. 432) - ah found it - a snake nest of political favors and costal underdevelopment - who would have thought THAT ! - Let me guess - an investor would perfer Rocha for seasteading activities ? - or Polynesia - and live subdue to nobody and extraterritorialized right away…

(Matias Volco) #27

Just Imagine!

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Tha Jones Act merely applies the same anti-cabotage rules for the air-space, to the waterways.

While, on the face of it, it looks like a commerce regulation, it is also a safety preecaution, helping reduce espionage, and sabotage of coastal waterways, and forcing a higher standard of care in them.

International waters is the ONLY place raw sewage can legally be dumped overboard, by US law. Getting to the point that will include ballast waster. “So what?”, some might ask… Many nations just disallow it while in-port, in bays, estuaries, etc. take a good look at the Brazillion Olympic games, for the water-quality and pollution problems that the Jones Act has helped prevent, in the US.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #29

• The hypothesis that we need protective laws for the sake and safety of the people (not the sake and bounty of politicians and monopolies ) was presented (again).

One of the most striking examples why this is obviously a perception error well exploited by politics was given by @joequirk in his entrance statement ( | food safety | ship safety | ) - showing that state free, interference free places work better and safer. (…if you want debate on that put it in another thread please…)


Well, heck, Mr. Scofflaw… Screw the authorities and launch that sub, see what happens…

(Wilfried Ellmer) #31

The Jones Act is an example of excellence why oceanic interference freedom is needed and how politics is crippling development all over the planet … seasteading can be the cure.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #32

Hypothesis: Real estate squaremeters can be produced more economic on the ocean than on land


… but NOT without land-based industrial infrastructure and resources.

For example:

There IS a design and plan to incorporate seacrete, building a hull. HOWEVER, that requires materials from existing land-based industries, both to make and to fit. It is impossible to build a structure, the industrial capabilities, and make products from raw seawater, or dolphins and Octopi would have evolved doing so, and there would have been no evolutionary imperative leading to humankind, land-based tool-making creatures.

So, here we are, planning to build, using land-based infrastructure, to build seagoing vessels.


Why must Elmo’s posts always include a commercial link to his web site …

… where Elmo solicits money from suckers “investors”?

Does a comment thread exist that does NOT have a commercial link from Elmo?


It’s not as if Elmo’s commercials haven’t resulted in his suspension in the past. :open_mouth:

(Wilfried Ellmer) #36


Building anything on stilts or landfill base on a shallow spot is a pointless experiment that has been done already | Floating and a potential to settle open and deep water is a kind of minimum requirement.

• it makes no contribution to solve the ocean colonization technology botttleneck

• It is no step forward in the evolutionary line of seasteading

• It does not get you trough phase1 key conversation and leaves you with reaction A

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(Mariusz) #37

It’s not as pointless as you claim. These shallow waters could be used to establish a stable base for floaters to attach to. If you want to realistically think about seasteads, you have to understand that most floating cities will not really be floating. Any airport, mining operation, communication towers will work better when their location is fixed. It’s also likely that, at least in the beginning, any floating city will be safer if it is fixed to the bottom of the floor. Later when the technology progresses it might be possible to build true floating cities, but doing this a this point is just unrealistic.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #38

in fact @Matias concept of “Land Banking Uruquay” is going in that direction - invite investors to a shore-beach oriented project and then gradually lead them to floating projects…

The concept : starting with something people are familiar with already (beach real estate) - and then take it a small (but essecial) step further (floating real estate)…


What is “pointless” is Elmo continuously spamming the comment threads with commercials for his phony “investment” schemes.

Because … his schemes still haven’t yielded return on the previous investments. :open_mouth:

Otherwise we would see PROOF in the form of an existing, functioning seastead community.


Notice how all of Elmo’s comments ultimately point to a COMMERCIAL for Elmo’s phony “investment” scheme. :open_mouth: