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(Wilfried Ellmer) #107

• A new technology is needed to settle the oceanic space which is the about 99% of the space left for expansion of the human projects.

• Land-space can not be used further and more intense - the rivets are already popping out of the planetary life support sistem (species mass extinction).

This means only the vast and unused volume of the ocean is available

• For business, fabrication, industry installation - to satisfy the ever growing needs of mankind

• For additional settlements to accomodate the 1 billion per decade of population growth

• Spaces of freedom necessary for experiment and progress to engineer new solutions. In a interference and coding free space.


This makes seasteading an effort to settle in the unfamiliar space of the ocean...

#108

If all the habitable land on earth was divided equally, we could each have approximately 2.3 acres/.93 hectares, which could theoretically support ~60 people, if intensively, sustainably farmed.

http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/Texas.html

Your supposition that land cannot support the current population is invalid.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #109

An interesting counter theory worth to talk about…read this - and tell me if you think you sustained your opinion successfully, or you need to rethink it on a better info base.


#110

I already documented that using known productive methods, the earth can feed 60 times the current population, just using habitable land. If we put people into nonagricultural areas, vs pretty flatlands, turned agricultural practices to things proven sustainable and intensely productive, things would change for the better. Doing so would also take pressure off the oceans as food source.

I did NOT say it would happen. It’s also known, researchable, and documented that 1 acre of modern vertical gardening can feed up to 60,000 people, using the same high rise technology we use to build cities, meaning we could even support 120,000 times the current population, just on that same 2+ acres per person of habitable land, and even more, with strategic relocation to nonagricultural land, and reassigning land better suited to age purposes, instead of cities.

This can all be easily verified… Google is your friend.


#111

The Chinese government, apparently, agrees with @JL_Frusha’s conclusions about under-utilized farmlands.

http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2014/06/30/africa-and-china-agriculture-the-new-breadbasket/


(Wilfried Ellmer) #112

• The point is Species go extinct - this indicates - too much Land is Farmland already - way too much ! - sure you can expand farmland even more and accelerate extinction further - is it wise ? (kind of missed the point …)

The paradigm is farmland needs to be reduced not to be expanded for sustainability on the planet. Expansion is only feasible and potential ECO positive in the vast volumetric, bio desert, waterbody of the ocean…see ocean sphere…

The oceanic real estate thread is not the correct thread to discuss the potential expanding of farmland in Africa and its impact on accelerating mass extincion of species - if you want to discuss on that - open a apropiate thread for it please…


#113

Given the inclusion of “global networking hubs” within this thread`s topic …

… and the claim that “economy of scale is much easier on the water”

@Elmo’s desired exclusion of globalized (land-based) agriculture from this thread would be idiotic.

Unless, of course, @Elmo’s intent for starting the thread was merely to promote his phony “investment” scheme by spamming the comment threads “over and over and over and over” with his commercial posts.


#114

“over and over and over and over”

… as has been previously stated by a multitude of TSI members …

… and even the Admin. :worried:


(Wilfried Ellmer) #115

Back on topic - no nonsense posting here - please respect… the thread starter.


Important info in the context of Oceanic Real Estate…

Speaker List Tahiti Seasteading event


#116

How often are you going to edit your older comments, @ellmer

… and then pretend that you aren’t spamming the comment thread with commercials for your “investment” scheme?

Apparently, dishonesty is the only product you can consistently produce? :unamused:


#117

Even the Admins agreed that you post the same commercials “over and over and over and over”.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #118

Work-Hypothesis on this thread :


• A new technology is needed to settle the oceanic space which is the about 99% of the space left for expansion of the human projects.

• Land-space can not be used further and more intense - the rivets are already popping out of the planetary life support sistem (species mass extinction).

This means only the vast and unused volume of the ocean is available

• For business, fabrication, industry installation - to satisfy the ever growing needs of mankind

• For additional settlements to accomodate the 1 billion per decade of population growth

• Spaces of freedom necessary for experiment and progress to engineer new solutions. In a interference and coding free space.

This makes seasteading an effort to settle in the unfamiliar space of the ocean…


Shoreside Metropolis running out of development space | next logical step - floating structures |


The legs of a condeep platform are technically very similar to the slip formed core of a highrise building. They are similar in weight size and structure. What this picture shows is the feasibility of building a highrise on a floating platform.


Althogh highrise is technical feasible there is no real need for it - the ocean offers unlimited horizontal space for the real estate developer. Therefore we can expect the first oceanic floating housing structures looking rather like this.


Marine Empires | why did they not build floating cities to dominate oceanic trade | solving the technology bottleneck |
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@frusha- this is a frusha/dohse free thread, do not post here, do not troll, do not clutter nonsense do not respond to this post… The thread starter

| going Galt on Forum Umpa Lumpas | give me a Frusha - Dohse free space please | meta topics in the cafe please | lost view of normal | alleged butt in rights on threads i open | bore the auditorium to an inevitable forum death | the telenovela is just in your head | scientific disscussion approach only | special participant basket asignment | Joe Quirk on ignoring | forum dynamics | what part do you NOT understand | the need for filter on a 7.5 billion planet |


Do not respond - yust go away and open your own threads…

The thread starter


#119

Pete and repeat sittin’ on a log
Pete fell off, who was left?

Already documented the fallacy of your claim that the available land cannot support further increases of population…


#120

Repeat … repeat … repeat.
:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:


#121

“… over and over and over and over …”


(Wilfried Ellmer) #122

back on topic | Oceanic Real Estate | global networking hubs | Extraterritorialized |


Hypothesis: There is no way for humanity to survive the next 3 decades when doing business as usual - Seasteading is a massive solution - the only one.


Hypothesis: Seasteading will develop in many ways, colors, and tastes, along multiple business axes - as a movement we should not enter into “versus discussion” it is not a “either or” it is a “all of it”.



(Wilfried Ellmer) #123

Hypothesis:

The “codes for certifying seasteads” will come up 15 years after the first seasteads are on the water and there is an “experience base to write codes” about it and there are “engineering schools” to teach it. This is how engineering works.


Unfortunatly things that are new are always “outside code” they have to be - it is in the nature of things - and it is ok - this is how our world works. | there can be no certifiyer for it, because nobody can have a school degree of doing it, because it is new. It is like asking for putting corners on a circle - only a umpa lumpa would ask for it in first place…


If it can be “certified” it can not be new - if it is not new there is no point in doing it (ref.895) - because it does not create a new waypoint on the evolutionary line of seasteading. It is only a repeate of the old ways. Little interesting for investors who look for “disruptive investments” with potential to be big in a future.


Seasteading is about “solving the technology bottleneck of seasteading” - about doing something “outside the box” not about “getting endorsement of somebody else” for it.



(Wilfried Ellmer) #124

Work Hypothesis on this thread:

@ellmer | more

• Seasteading will have to develop its own codes its own engineering school etc… | 321 |

• It is a concept error to ask for endorsement of plans upfront.

• The only endorsement we will ask for is a


extreme safety certificate” .


Saying something like: …

• Althogh built in technology we do not have codes for we consider it extremly safe due to the unsinkable honeycomb light structure.

• Even if it would be broken in pieces by the ocean it will not sink but allow people to survive on the pieces that convert into comfortable life rafts still exceeding the specs for suvival pods.

• Due to its unsinkable nature it is by far safer than any certified ship exceeding all safety specs in marine engineering used today.


The point is you can still get an “extreme safety certificate” without running the building plans trough ABS | GL | Lloyds | certification processes.


You do not go for “certification of the plan” you ask for a safety evaluation AFTER you built it that is different.


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#125

Yes, you go for certification. You have to meet the boating safety regulations of whatever flag you’re flying. That means annual inspections, fire extinguishers, floatation devices, etc., etc.

Anything less gets you forcibly shut down and beached.


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