Galt's Gulch is on the oceans | oceanic business alliance


(Wilfried Ellmer) #20

• Why we can not debate our plans with everybody on a 7,5 billion inhabitant planet.

• Why only “smart comments” can (and should) be responded.

• The need for a FILTER in forum discussion

• The need for “Going Galt” in general.


Finally … we agree on something …

“The need for a FILTER in forum discussion”

It’s called … THE ADMIN. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes::stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

(and the Admin wrote …)


The FILTER speaks. It says …


SPAM filter… to eliminate 'come to W.E.‘s sites and give W.E. your money’ posts.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #24

Hmm - the interference problem seems to be an universal issue - even on this thread …

A guy creating multiple fake ids and cluttering his nonsense everywhere can make the thread unfeasible and unconvenient for all of us…
Mad reason whatever he believes to have for his action…
This is why people “go Galt” in first place…it is not always about state control - it is about undue private interference also, and the human “right to do your thing interference free” in general.
Seasteading is after all a quest for interference freedom…
For the special… - please do not respond…

Back to topic…

#Honduras Shrugged

Dec 10th 2011 | The Economist

DISGUSTED by an increasingly invasive state, America’s most capable entrepreneurs retreat to Galt’s Gulch, a libertarian commune. That was the theme of Ayn Rand’s magnum opus, “Atlas Shrugged”, a sacred text for libertarians ever since it was published in 1957. Actually creating such an enclave has been the dream of many fans of small government (or of none at all). Several have had a try at it, but their efforts have always ended in disaster.

Now, for the first time, libertarians have a real chance to implement their ideas. In addition to a big special development region, the Honduran government intends to approve two smaller zones. And two libertarian-leaning start-ups have already signed a preliminary memorandum of understanding with the Honduran government to develop them.

One firm goes by the name of Future Cities Development Corporation. It was co-founded by Patri Friedman, a grandson of Milton Friedman, a Nobel laureate in economics, and until recently executive director of the Seasteading Institute, a group producing research on how to build ocean-based communes. The other is called Grupo Ciudades Libres (Free Cities Group) and is the brainchild of Michael Strong and Kevin Lyons, two entrepreneurs and libertarian activists.

Both share a purpose: to build “free cities”. Last April all three spoke at a conference organised by Universidad Francisco Marroquín, a libertarian outfit in Guatemala. In September they and Giancarlo Ibárgüen, the university’s president, launched the Free Cities Institute, a think-tank, to foster the cause.

As so often with enthusiasts, divisions within the cause run deep. The two firms hail from different parts of the libertarian spectrum. Mr Friedman is an outspoken critic of democracy. It is “ill-suited for a libertarian state”, he wrote in an essay in 2009—because it is “rigged against libertarians” (they would always lose) and inefficient. Rather than giving its citizens a voice, he argues, they should be free to exit; cities should compete for them by offering the best services.

The second firm’s backers appear to be less radical. A founder of several charter schools, Mr Strong is now the force behind FLOW, a movement that claims to combine libertarian thinking “with love, compassion, social and environmental consciousness”, says its website. He too prefers exit over voice (meaning that he thinks that leaving and joining are better constraints on executive power than the ballot box). But he also believes that democratic consent is needed in certain areas, such as criminal justice. His goal in Honduras is less to implement libertarian ideals than to reduce poverty and to speed up economic development.

Some in the Honduran government have libertarian leanings, which is one reason why the authorities have moved so quickly. But when the master developers for the new zones are selected next year, strong political credentials will not be enough—and may even prove to be a drawback. Mr Friedman is stressing a difference between his political beliefs and his firm. “Ideology makes bad business,” he says, adding that Future Cities Development wants to focus on the needs of the people who live in the city.

Yet the biggest hurdle for the libertarian start-ups may be that the transparency commission, which will oversee the development regions, is unlikely to give them free rein. The “constitutional statute” for the development zones, which the Honduran national congress passed in August, does not leave much wiggle room in key areas, not least when it comes to democracy: ultimately their citizens will vote.

Both firms, however, have links to prominent libertarians with deep pockets. Mr Strong is close to John Mackey, the co-founder and chief executive of Whole Foods, a high-end supermarket chain—though Mr Strong says that Mr Mackey already has too many other things on his plate. Mr Friedman’s contacts seem more promising: the Seasteading Institute received lots of cash from Peter Thiel, a Silicon Valley billionaire who founded the internet payment service PayPal and was an early investor in Facebook, the world’s biggest social network.

Mr Thiel’s ambitions go far beyond scouting out the next big thing in technology. “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” he wrote in an essay in 2009. This is why libertarians should find an escape from politics, he added. “Because there are no truly free places left in our world, I suspect that the mode of escape must involve some sort of new and hitherto untried process that leads us to some undiscovered country.” Back then he had the ocean or space in mind. Honduras would certainly be more convenient.


Believe me, YES, I HAVE 2 IDs on here, and NO, I haven’t used the other one in a LONG time… I have no need to fake myself as someone traceable. Hell, do a Google Search for Bob Dohse… Arizona, if that helps… Me? I’m in Texas. My last trip to Az. was to buy a motorcycle, about 15 years ago.:sunglasses:


(Wilfried Ellmer) #26

I am definitly “going Galt” on people who do not pass my filters for internet forum discussion.

• The commenting needs to be smart
• It needs to bring up a debateworthy topic
• The debate partner must be up to the task to have a scientific quality debate
• The debate partner needs to agree on scientific quality debate only to avoid timewaste.

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@Elmo … you are most certainly delusional, believing in your fantasy of “going Galt”.

You aren’t John Galt.

You’re just running a phony investment scheme.

Nothing more. Nothing less.


Going Galt
The conservative version of “I’m movin’ to Canada!” Referring to John Galt from Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged”, Going Galt means leaving what you see as a society crumbling in on itself and going somewhere else to watch it all burn to the ground.

Tough talk from an Austrian ex-pat, run-off to South America, parrot-feeder, that built a substandard submarine that sank from preventably damaged seals and shows spalling from poor mortaring of the cement.

First, there has to be a determination of what is scientific vs opinion… Calling for opinions from the bleachers, when confronted with peer-reviewed documentation is NOT a scientific approach…

(Wilfried Ellmer) #29

Thread rule: If you have nothing relevant to say - please do not comment.

Leave the thread to the other 540 forum participants that might have to say something relevant, that might bring up an interesting talk.

Please do not spread nonsense clutter, troll, lower the threads quality, work obsession issues, on threads i opened. This is for serious participants only.

Thanks for not standing in the way of moving seasteading forward.

special link | do not try to talk to me - we have no debate base… | do not expect me engaging in a debate with you as long as you do not pass the filter of reason…you have not done that yet.

Going Galt on [special assignment]( thread participants. Have not been given a reason to revise this asignment yet.


So, put YOUR money where your mouth is and BUILD IT. Do it your way. Wade out into the water with your materials, build your floating construction platform, anchor it, use it to build the next phase and so on.

Me? Buying land and will setup a homestead as support base, and to demonstrate poo-ponics, that you ridicule, as both waste management and food source.

In addition, will be setting up shop to build a towable semis submersible and food supply.

Maybe a tad longer than someone else’s way, but I will be doing, not begging for, or demanding funds to support Elmo’s scams.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #31

The Hypothesis that there is no upside to talk to the “special segment” was coined and sustained earlier…( Joe Quirk - 16.Feb 2016 - ) there is no need for endless obsessive repetition.

What in the phrase “asigned to the segment we do not respond to” do you not understand… go away - this thread is NOT for you…it is for the other 540 users capeable of normal discourse and normal social interaction necessary to move a project forward…why don´t you open a thread for yourself instead of trolling and nonsensing mine…

What exactly on the term “no debate base” do you not understand ?

What on “do not expect to engage me in any kind of debate” do you not understand?


Hypothesis. Wil Ellmer isn’t smart enough to understand that this is an open forum, or even what that means.

Further… He thinks he can shoot every idea down that isn’t his, w/o deserving the same treatment.

Additionally… If someone proposes an idea, he shoots it down, then someone famous says it’s a good idea, he switches sides w/o any apology. For instance, MY suggestion of a FLIP like seastead and the later Bob Ballard piece endorsing exactly that…

I choose to warn people of your scams and historic, documented failure, in order that they can be educated on the fallacy of your claim to expertise. If the truth hurts, whose fault is that? Anyone can find pics of the sunken submarine of Lake Attersee. Heck, you display the ‘before’ shots, but fail to say anything about how the hull shows spalling after such a short time in very cold, freshwater, much less how much worse it would be in warm seawater. Took me digging the info out, to find that your hatch seal wasn’t properly recessed, so simple snoops damaged it, causing the sub to sink. I’d say your evidence of expertise sank in Lake Attersee.

There is NO debate. This isn’t the High School debate team, or some conference. This is serious, a situation where failure is literally a life/death issue. Negligence is also a punishable crime.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #33


• Seasteading is about interference freedom
• Seasteading is about geting rid of interference you do not consent
• Seasteading is about choice and opt in / opt out
• Seasteading is about Enlightenment
• Seasteading is about oceanic development

Back to thread topic : Galt’s Gulch is on the oceans | why we can not talk with everybody about our projects…on a 7,5 billion planet where many lunipit inmates (lost view of normal) have internet connection…

go away open your own thread control your conditon… - for the sake of not boring us here to death…this thread is not for you.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seasteading is the concept of creating permanent dwellings at sea, called seasteads, outside the territory claimed by any government. The term is a combination of the words sea and homesteading.


May I suggest that you use YOUR forums to promote YOUR cause, just as I use my forum to promote mine? HERE, we are on the TSI forum, and your constant aggravation and harassment of me and others, including the demand for funds and chasing people out of this forum, has led to this…

I WILL NOT refrain from warning new members of your failures and your demands for money. If that’s a problem, then take it up with TSI. I will NOT knowingly allow people to fall into your trap, which I ONLY got out of with helpful, and much appreciated ‘requests’ from TSI board members.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #36

Ok i see you will just go on and on … that is kind of unfortunate…the only solution i see is leaving the thread i opened myself …


Or just stop posting your commercial crap “over and over and over and over”, @Elmo.

Then nobody will have your commercials to which they’ll object.