Floating Island in Malaysia


#1

Hello everyone. This is what my company has done recently,it is a floating terminal hub however it is still under construction. It is not at sea but it is at one of the largest lake in Malaysia. Please contact us for further information info@cga.asia.


(.) #2

Hello and welcome.
It looks very nice. Congratulations.
Thank you for the picture.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #3

Welcome, and thanks for your very interesting post.

Can you release some details like the building technology the cost per square foot .

That is your company - right ? | cga.asia |

You are the Malaysia branch of Bartels & Vedder | http://bartelsvedder.nl/ | correct ?


Nice project video - i took the liberty to copy it over here - i hope this is OK with you…

It looks like a combination of the seastar and the bubble cluster concept suggested on the TSI forums.


(Nick Gencarelle) #5

This is a perfect spot for our Ultra High Performance Concrete and basalt reinforcements.
Might you contact Bartels and Vedder for a discussion?


(Wilfried Ellmer) #6

@NickGri | The boxy cast stuff the dutch do for their swamp lands - see | Koen Olthuis | Bart Roeffen | Jelle Vedder | Chiel Bartels | and many many more - in our group we call them the “Delft Boys” for the university of Delft) | can definitly be vastly improved by using your basalt fiber components. The technology of standard concrete engineering floating boxes was already “off the shelf marine concrete technology” in the Mullberry Harbor. (around 1940) it has since widely been used in floating marina walkways and for the urbanisation of Dutch German and British swamp lands with boxy floating homes on concrete barges. The service life span depends mostly on the builder and his skills of “getting it right” and create a good embedd of the rebar.

Your basalt bar and rope components are certainly a great way to increase the lifespan and make something that will not fall apart due to spalling - even if the build is not perfect. Spalling as dominant failure mode can be completly EXCLUDED - certainly a leap forward.

The promise of a 200 year guaranteed service life and a expected service life of beyond 2000 years (similar to the Caesarea Harbor concrete and the Pantheon concrete ) is on the Table - that is certainly a promising floating city building material, a big step toward solving the engineering bottleneck, that held marine empires back to intent floating cities earlier, it is longer lasting then Venice´s swamp pile technology that lasted some 1500 years - no doubth. New Venice and New Atlantis could profit from the strenght and corrosion resistance of basalt.


In our group we have something in mind that goes along the lines of light advanced cement composite cluster shell floating islands a technology that stands somewhat apart and where unusual fiber components are part of the deal

(Modular Extension | Connectors | Cellular expansion | Building Technology | Advanced Cement Composites)

Means we do not exclude the standard concrete engineering we still use it where low tech and off the shelf tech is ok - but we believe that it is time to take things a bit further modern materials allow that - Matias Volco studied at Zaha Hadid´s class in London - and this is the general direction we see architecture on the ocean taking.



(Wilfried Ellmer) #7

@ANHMD360

• Can you please give us a rough square meter number of the whole assembly ?
• Are those domes yurt structures (fabric over frame) or is this a kind of light shell ?
• Are the docks welded steel or alu frames with concrete floating elements (11 per barge) ?


context:
Seasteading Investment | oceanic real estate development | cost per square meter

(What needs to be done to make seasteading investment worthy)


#8

It is 5000 square meter, consists of 6 pavillions. The domes are made out of fabric and the docks are welded steel (Floating pontoons & holcon structures),tie in with screws and bolts and being anchored with a mooring system (Below image).


(Wilfried Ellmer) #9

@ANHMD360

Very interresting ! Thanks for giving your input here.

Does your Company have data, analysis and market experience how the floating structures you build compare to Singapore landfill in cost per square meter, and feasibility of construction .

Do you think that you can compete with those large scale landfill projects in the malacca strait that create real estate on former water territory.

It is literally a billion dollar market…worth to go for - your company must have thought about that - can you share ?


context :

| singapore sand wars | singapore landfill | floating real estate | real estate paradigm shift | Semakau Landfill | Comaroff - built on sand - Harvard Design Magazin | ocean colonization technology | New-VENICE | New-Atlantis |


Oceanic Real estate - the market right now:
| http://nautilusmaker.discoursehosting.net/t/singapore-land-fill-real-estate-development-floating-real-estate-incremental/268 |

What is next:
| Real Estate Paradigm Shift | oceanic business alliance | oceanic real estate | floating real estate | |

Seasteading investment | oceanic real estate deal
| What needs to be done to make seasteading investment worthy |


You must have thought about building oceanic real estate like this Matias Volco directional bow design - haven´t you ? | Ref : bow design seastead |


#10

I am not sure if we have the data or not but from my personal point of view landfilling would certainly cost more time & money. Land-reclamation has been in the scene for quite several years now, probaly we opt for a new technology?

Plus, recently there is a news report that there is some illegal sand trading between Malaysia & Singapore. This illegal sand trading would certainly make a dent to Malaysia’s ecological footprint.


(Nick Gencarelle) #11

That fabric can be a basalt fiber fabric for ultimate strength, UV immunity, non-conductivity, safe non-respirable, recyclable fibers with no petroleum base. Basalt has better impact, higher flexural modulus of elasticity, does not harbor bacterial or microbial growth and is a ten times better electrical insulator than fiberglass. Less layers can be used so it will not cost more in the end run as less time labor and resins would be needed in a longer lasting tougher fabric. https://basalt-fabric.com/ Nick


(Wilfried Ellmer) #13

So you think floating structures can successfuly compete with landfills on the oceanic real estate market ?


If that is the case, PK Meta´s postulate stops to be an "audacious visionary prediction for the 21 st century" and starts to be a funded business reality of our time...companies should look at.

…it is predicted that construction activities during the 21st century will be dominated by concrete sea structures. PK Meta


The investment in the Khalifa manufacturing hub landfill alone has been 7,2 Billion USD (billion with a B !!!)


Khalifa oceanic hub infrastructure
| https://nautilusmaker.discoursehosting.net/uploads/db7580/36/87cd4e55f9479861.jpg |


The interesting question is : why do people still invest in landfill and NOT in floating infrastructure ?

• Is it inertia and we need to get the word out ?
• Is the technology bottleneck solved by now ?
• Would you be willing to join our consortium to move ocean colonization forward ?



(.) #14

I think, the possibility to move a floating structure might give an edge
in certain cases.


(Wilfried Ellmer) #16

• What is the maximum wave height your structure is designed for ?
• What is the service life expectancy ?


(noboxes) #17

Per another thread on this site, you may need to pay him for that data, just as you ask for money for even a picture.