Buy the Pitcairn Islands From British? Probably Cheaper. Safer

(Tom Schaefer) #1

The ~55 residents of the Pitcairn Islands are going extinct, with only 2 children since 2004 (According to Wikipedia). Attempts at attracting Immigrants have failed. There is just as much potential for ocean engineering. But would Britain and the residents sell?

In any case, I think the recent experience of Pitcairn is a challenge to the social concept of Seasteading, and should be studied. I’d seriously consider moving to or retiring Pitcairn with a libertarian Government and wideband.

(Chad Elwartowski) #2

It is unfortunate that it is not thriving there. Maybe a good lesson is to be part of a trade route as opposed to being completely remote.

(Tom Schaefer) #3

They are not far off a trade route from the Panama Canal to New Zealand and Australia. and a small but sufficient number of cruise ships visit every year. Most of the arguments for Seasteading would apply there, if the legal environment were of Hong Kong prior to 1 July 1997 or independence could be purchased. The several islands represent environments for various stages of land-independence transitioning to sea habitat.

Concerns over the effects of “Island Fever” may be exacerbated by “Cabin Fever” in the current Seasteading small island approach. Pitcairn would immediately offer space to develop, for example, conference facilities and hotels and a land work bench or scaffolding to construct ocean engineering projects such as ocean thermal energy, aquaculture, and Ray Kurzweil’s Vertical Agriculture. Some of the problems on Pitcairn could be resolved with fresh new energetic population with a purpose.

Anyway, if some inventive persons were to start a consortium to buy onto Pitcairn with a project-focused libertarian governance (See by Larry Niven’s and Jerry Pournelle’s book “Oath of Fealty” with the city “Todos Santos”), I would closely consider funding/joining.

(Larry G) #4

The problem is, no matter how bad of a financial and social drain a given geographical location may be, nation states irrationally hold onto them and will not cede territory easily, even for purchase by other nations. It usually takes money PLUS violence to make a country cede territory. It’s a paradigm, an unconscious assumption that nations just don’t dispose of territory or citizens willingly (even tho they often screw over or abandon citizens in war.)

(Blank Name) #5

Pitcairn is perfect in my opinion. For several reasons. But first off, buying is not a great option. I doubt they will sell it, Bittish are stubborn lol.

But here is an alternative:
Flood it with migrants, slowly.

A bit of backstory: It has 45 people. Many live off the islands for large portions of the year. At its height it had 200. And most of the population is old. It will come to a point where the elderly all die and the few young people all leave. So they are (unsuccessfully) looking for immigrants. If many immigrants become citizens there and all call for a referendum to become independant, they will probably get one. And win. The British have granted referendums to other territories before.

There are also other island groups about the same size with 30,000 people. Ducie, Sandy and Oeno islands could be easily expanded. And since its remote and tropical they could get many tourists if a small airport where built.

(Blank Name) #6

Strategy to make money: Make an airport on Oeno. Force people to pay for a boat ride to the main islands.

(George Spencer) #7

Is succession really necessary?

Granted, a goal of seasteading is independence, but does it have to be independent immediately? Or even full? French Polynesia is looking into building a floating city, and that’s an existing government.

Would there not be some value of moving into Pitcairns and taking advantage of UK membership. Who knows, there might even be some government research and development money. I’m sure there are enough UK/EU residents who would participate in the project.

And when/if it comes time to push a floating seastead a little further offshore and become independent or take the whole/some islands along (Oenexit?), then so be it.

(Larry G) #8

Money always has strings attached.

(Tom Schaefer) #9

Having a land base/workbench/scaffolding for Seasteading enables one of the best energy alternatives for a project of the size many envision:

At about $2.50 to $3 per watt installed, this micro-nuclear reactor would instantly support the kind of development and investment needed for a sustainable starting point.

(.) #10

To “force people” is not a good idea by libertarian standards.

(Blank Name) #11

I forgot to mention one thing. Libertarian-ism wouldn’t be great imo.

(Blank Name) #12

Nuclear isnt very safe on small islands.

(Blank Name) #13
  1. where does the nuclear waste go. 2. what if it explodes or melts down. Where do you run? 3. If you cool it with sea water then the water isnt safe. Anyway, wind and solar would be more than enough there

(Blank Name) #14

Independence is my goal anyway.

(.) #15

Sexual assault trials of 2004[edit]
Main article: Pitcairn sexual assault trial of 2004
In 2004, charges were laid against seven men living on Pitcairn and six living abroad. This accounted for nearly a third of the male population. After extensive trials, most of the men were convicted, some with multiple counts of sexual encounters with children.[25] On 25 October 2004, six men were convicted, including Steve Christian, the island’s mayor at the time.[26][27][28] After the six men lost their final appeal, the British government set up a prison on the island at Bob’s Valley.[29][30] The men began serving their sentences in late 2006. By 2010, all had served their sentences or been granted home detention status.[31]

In 2010 the then mayor Mike Warren faced 25 charges of possessing images and videos of child pornography on his computer.[32][33]

An “entry clearance application” must be made for any child under the age of 16, prior to visiting Pitcairn, while adults visiting the island for periods of less than 14 days are not required to complete any application or visa request prior to arrival.[34]

As of 2016, The UK’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) does not allow their staff based on Pitcairn to be accompanied by their children.[34]

(Tom Schaefer) #16

Bill Gates is having one of these installed at his house. Please read the Toshiba literature of this self-contained, fail safe, 30-year fuel cycle reactor.

(Larry G) #17

Most reactors cannot explode. Melt-downs require a run-away reaction where the cooling mechanism AND the SCRAM fail. There’s a lot of popular ignorance about nuclear reactors.

All the same, while I have been watching the new son these “canister” reactors for several years, I don’t think they are a great idea for small coral islands.

(.) #18

I have no desire to work with radioactive materials.


Keep in mind, also, that ANY nuclear reactor requires heavy shielding. That exponentially expands the required space, to possess and operate it. If floating, say for the TSI Condo-barge, it would require its’ own barge.

(Blank Name) #20

Id also like to point out that one or two of the islands have active volcanos