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Since the myth of Atlantis, the idea of a prosperous city state, technologically far more advanced than the rest, has always fascinated humanity.

Recently there is an internet myth is talking about “break away civilizations” that might exist already capeable of space travel unknown to the general public…

The more serious question in this context : Is Seasteading a way of excellence to create a kind of break away civilization of advanced floating city states that fasttrack science and enlightenment and leave the rest some day behind in an event of transcendence - taking off to space colonization ?

And for the “conspiracy theorists” - are the “Bilderberg People” already “working on this”.

PS: have a look at the “Steering Commitee” … ref 437 … Thiel, Peter A. (USA), President, Thiel Capital

context: | politics panem et circenses | sustainability | transcendence | evolution | technologic stagnation through politics of regulation | Vent Base Alpha | Ocean Sphere | Captain Nemo Yacht | subdue to nobody | offshored | extraterritorialized | hyperloop connections of oceanic cities |

history: | Atlantis | Hy Brasil Myth | Venice | Mobilis in Mobili - Captain Nemo 754 |

@BobDohse | ref. 749

Evolutionary Context | Seasteading | Ocean Colonization
Elaine Winters | Adventures on The Isle Of Mu
SRS (SRL) - the first project
Randolph Hencken's Post-Election Message
Offshore aquaculture | realistic projects | big business | seafood | ocean colonization | ocean ranching | oceanic investment | world food security | oceanic business alliance
Real Estate Paradigm Shift | oceanic business alliance | oceanic real estate | floating real estate |
Real Estate Paradigm Shift | oceanic business alliance | oceanic real estate | floating real estate |
Seasteading Invest | the big five of ocean colonization | investment yield 10%+ | oceanic business alliance
Offshore aquaculture | realistic projects | big business | seafood | ocean colonization | ocean ranching | oceanic investment | world food security | oceanic business alliance
Lousy reporting at The Guardian by Julia Carrie Wong, Insults French Polynesians and Misleads Readers
The Law of the Sea Marine Scientific Research A revised guide to the implementation of the relevant provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
Galt's Gulch is on the oceans | oceanic business alliance
Seasteading Invest | the big five of ocean colonization | investment yield 10%+ | oceanic business alliance
The New Age of Sail
Tuna collapse demands for pasture management not hunter regulation
Galt's Gulch is on the oceans | oceanic business alliance
Galt's Gulch is on the oceans | oceanic business alliance

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Why must @Elmo’s COMMERCIALS continually be a source of frustration on the TSI web site?

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@BobDohse | shush link and back on topic…

**Seasteading: The World’s New Frontier**

Interview with “The Source”

by LUCH0 945 March 23, 2014

Seasteading is a fairly new concept of having permanent communities living on the sea. Essentially, the seasteads would be floating nations in international waters beholden onto themselves. According to the Seasteading Institute, it will be needed to create what they call the next generation in governance. There are also benefits for the banking system, medical regulation and would give democracy a boost. It is similar to charter schools in the sense that they are envisioned to foster innovative ideas to better serve citizens and their needs. In the not so distant future, seasteads may start to appear and their arrival will foster many questions for the world and how society will function and be oriented with this new dynamic. The Source talked to Charlie Deist, Former Research and Communications Coordinator at the Seasteading Institute.

Would you compare the pioneers of Seasteading to the settlers who founded America and Christopher Columbus and other adventurers who discovered America for Europe?

The difference between previous frontiers like America and the Blue Frontier is that unclaimed, unoccupied international waters will allow for the first peaceful establishment of new nations in human history. The New World was conquered at the expense of less technologically developed societies, whereas seasteading aims to use technology not to subdue but to create positive new examples of functioning voluntary societies. This idea of enabling competing experiments in governance draws on some ideas laid out by the founders of the United States, who envisioned states functioning as small-scale “laboratories of democracy”. However, the possibilities for entirely new forms of government will grow exponentially once small groups of people are able to create their own “startup” nations at sea.

Do you think Seasteading has any comparison to space travel?

Certainly — both outer space and the ocean represent largely unexplored, ungoverned frontiers. They even share many of the same physical characteristics, such as a relatively frictionless environment, which enables large structures to be moved and reconfigured with minimal effort.

Do you see the two endeavors competing for resources?

Many people have pointed out that seasteading is a necessary precursor to space colonization, since it will help the development of systems to support human life in extreme and remote environments, without going to the ultimate extreme. Furthermore, humanity must harness the abundant food and renewable energy resources of the ocean before we will have the wealth necessary for viable space travel. Lastly, any energy that goes into space travel, such as advancing in the physical sciences and developing autonomous life support systems, will bolster the aims of seasteading.

In political terms, given the revolution in the Middle East. How does it affect the political arguments for Seasteading?

We don’t take sides on specific political issues, but it is interesting to note the number refugees fleeing places like Syria and other regions-in-conflict in dangerously under-equipped boats. When these refugees are found — often in great distress — they are sometimes sent back to their home country. We can hope that future seasteads will provide a safe haven for refugees, and allow persecuted groups to opt out of the violent struggles in their home countries.

Movies like Elysium Fields have been made about issues pertaining to Seasteading. Mainly the rich moving away to paradise leaving everyone to suffer. Is there anything that would prevent that scenario from taking place?

The rich already have a number of options at their disposal to escape from bad governance, such as gated communities, private schools, offshore tax havens, etc. While there will be nothing stopping the rich from using seasteading as another outlet for escapism, we still believe it is better to provide additional choice and freedom to the masses of people who currently have virtually no choice in where they live, what schools their children attend, and how their tax dollars spent. Human ingenuity is not limited to the elite. Even if the richest 10% of the world’s population moved to outer space, taking all of their wealth and resources with them, the remaining 90% could come up with innovative solutions to their problems as long as they have the ability to form voluntary associations and are not limited by one-size-fits-all monopolistic governments.

It seems like the technology is in place now to make this a reality. When do you think the first Seastead will be built?

Our Floating City Project aims to jumpstart a Phase II for-profit collaboration among pioneering residents, entrepreneurs and investors, in conjunction with a “host nation.” These parties once identified and persuaded to take the next leap forward, will hopefully build the World’s first floating city within the host nation’s protected waters before the end of the decade. All of the technology for living on the open ocean has been developed by the cruise ship and offshore oil drilling industries — it is merely a matter of making it cost effective for the average person, which is what we are aiming to do, both with the near-term floating city execution, and with research into cheaper platform designs and profitable businesses for open-ocean communities.

What does this do to the ongoing fantasy of building a city underwater?

Our strategy has focused on the surface of the ocean, since it seems to be a more realistic engineering goal — not to mention most people’s natural preference for sunlight. However, there is nothing stopping someone from trying to establish a seastead underwater, provided it could be engineered at a reasonable cost. Many of the technologies developed for surface seasteads will likely be applicable underwater as well.

What about seasteading suffering the same fate that the fabled city Atlantis did?

The vast majority of oil-rigs and cruise ships operate for years without incident, and the standards will be even higher for full-time residents. Additionally, we advocate a cautious and incremental approach (evidence by our Floating City Project and its strategy of locating in protected waters), while still pursuing bold ideas to improve the cost and durability of the aforementioned open-ocean technology. Some have suggested regular ritual sacrifice to Poseidon, but we think this is an unnecessary precaution, and it might upset the neighbors.

Can you name some of the specific technological advances a fully functioning Seasteading community would feature?

I’ll give three areas where seasteads can be expected to innovate technologically:

Data Transmission – Seasteads will need faster methods of obtaining internet than slow, existing satellite connections. Google’s new Project Loon could offer one solution, with a network of wirelessly-linked stratospheric balloons. Alternately, a series of dynamically-positioned buoys could relay a signal from land via WiMAX connection.

Food/Water/Energy Production – Given the limited space, seasteads will need to innovate systems for making more out of less. This will be true when it comes to food (hydroponics, aquaponics and vertical farming can be expected to play a role), water (energy-efficient methods of desalination), waste recycling, and renewable energy production and storage.

Transport – Again, by necessity, seasteads will require more rapid, convenient methods of travel, which can be on- and off-loaded in a variety of sea states. Moving objects from one floating vessel to another on the open ocean has been a problem in a number of maritime industries, which is sure to be solved by the additional frequency with which people and goods will be coming to and from the floating cities of the future.

Any last words about Seasteading?

Readers in your audience who would like to live on a seastead in the future can support our current efforts by taking our survey for potential residents and businesses at You can also support the Floating City Project with a tax-deductible donation. We hope to see you on the high seas!

(Wilfried Ellmer) #6

Future Cities Hyperloop Connections tubular structures.

Concrete has clearly emerged as the most economical and durable material for the building of the vast majority of marine structures. Reinforced concrete too has overcome the technological problems making it a suitable material for the construction of advanced marine structures such as offshore drilling platforms, superspan bridges and undersea tunnels. As the world becomes increasingly ocean-oriented for energy and other resources it is predicted that **construction activities during the 21st century will be dominated by concrete sea structures**. The performance of concrete in the marine environment is presented here in a logical manner giving state-of-the-art reviews of the nature of the marine environment, the composition and properties of concrete, history of concrete performance in seawater, major causes of deterioration of concrete in the marine environment, selection of materials and mix proportioning for durable concrete, recommended concrete practice and repair of deteriorated marine structures. It is of value to any design or construction engineer responsible for marine structures. - [P.K. Mehta](

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1000m depth rating possible for spheres, 500m for tubular concrete structures

…the (study) results demonstrated the feasibility of near neutrally buoyant concrete structures, having an overall safety factor of three, at depths to 3000 feet for spheres and 1500 feet for cylinders. Greater depths are possible if concretes having a compressive strenght greater than 10.000 psi are used or if negativly buoyant structures are designed.

H.H Haynes and R.D. Rail october 1986 first published sept.1976

This is how “Vent Base Alpha” could look like…

• Political autonomy might not be the first thing to look after…read more

(Wilfried Ellmer) #8

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(Wilfried Ellmer) #9

The whole idea that one human should “govern”, “rule”, “subdue”, “enforce”, “tax”, upon an other human being - has something intrinsicly wrong in it. In the same way as the idea that one human should “own” another human in the sense of “slavery”.

In roman times people would have told us that society as we know it will fall apart if we dare to abolish slavery. Turned out it will not.

So how do we know that “govern”, “rule”, “subdue”, “enforce”, “tax” is not just another “institutional injustice” that migh well transcend to something better like “voluntary cooperation” in opt in / opt out networks.

Like it or not new technology will test this concept to the bones because (some) people already have access to "step out of government technology"2 .

And the the next wave is comming in2 rocket fast…

things that will fall apart

things that are upcomming

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(Wilfried Ellmer) #10

to consider:

Humanity growing out of its childhood pants

Half of the planet is already governed by state jurisdiction free emergent law

Half of the global financial assets are offshored already

How a small oceanic city state, halfway between a floating marina and a city, might look like…(Matias Volco Design)

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(Wilfried Ellmer) #11


• In its time the United States was a “Break away Civilization” from the Codes and Kings of Europe.
• Break trough and break away is a normal prozess in evolution that does not need to be feared.
• Investment can only be interesting where disruption and break trough (away) takes place.

Many just don´t see it how new technology changes the game | solve the bottleneck | Changing World |

Seasteading is about giving the “third guy in the picture” some interference free space to move his projects forward…

• SpaceX rockets land on an oceanic barge - interference free…

• Space Ports are built into the desert to keep interference out

(Wilfried Ellmer) #12

Worried About Earth? Hit the High Seas

What Seasteaders reveal about our desire to be saved by technology.

By Geoff Dembicki
Published March 1st, 2014

Nearly 400 years ago, the English scientist, author and philosopher Francis Bacon wrote of a mysterious island nation in the Pacific Ocean, whose citizens used technology to solve hunger, cure sickness and control the weather. At the centre of this fictitious society existed a research lab known as Solomon’s House, where elite scientists worked outside state control to achieve “the enlarging of the bounds of Human Empire,” Bacon wrote, and “the effecting of all things possible.”

Since its 1627 publication, The New Atlantis has become one of the founding visions of our modern scientific age, instilling in Western thought Bacon’s idea of technology as a means to improve the human condition. “To a great extent,” claims a journal inspired by the book’s legacy, “we live in the world Bacon imagined.” Man of many legacies, Bacon played a lead role in Britain’s colonization of North America, meaning in Canada and the U.S. we also live in the world he helped settle.

About six years ago, a group based in California’s Bay Area, led by the grandson of U.S. economist Milton Friedman, began designing and raising money for a floating ocean city-state, whose citizens could harness the sea to solve hunger, cure sickness and fix climate change. “There’s a rich history of people imagining a better society… on the ocean,” the Seasteading Institute’s Joe Quirk told me recently in San Francisco. “The difference now is that the technology to do this is at hand.”

Whether that’s true is a matter of debate — and one covered at length in more than 170 media reports on the Institute. What intrigued me more about Seasteading was its complete faith in technology to solve our planet’s ills. “There’s a split among people who care about the environment between people who want go backwards and people who want to go forwards,” Quirk said. “I don’t think there’s any going back to nature.” Did that faith say something larger about our society?

‘Blue civilization’

Not long ago the Seasteading Institute posted eight videos narrated by Quirk on its website, offering oceanic solutions to world crises. Malnutrition? Harvest vast farms of nutritious sea-algae. Oil shortages? Turn a portion of the algae into biofuels. Climate change? Tap the ocean’s clean thermal energy. Heart disease and diabetes? Allow medics to innovate on offshore labs. These and other “moral imperatives” can be fulfilled, Quirk narrated without irony, “by building floating cities on the sea.”

I recently met Quirk in a cafe near San Francisco’s Glen Park. He moved from New Jersey two decades ago, and became a best-selling writer of action novels and pop-science. Now he’s writing a book on ocean societies. “I realized [seasteading] was an astonishing story,” he said. A key tenet is that daunting crises like climate change can only be solved with ever more sophisticated technology — by “integrating nature into a blue civilization,” he said, and “using the strengths of the sea.”

Quirk’s vision is audacious, but not necessarily far-fetched. Some biofuel firms see great promise in algae-based “Green Crude.” And Lockheed Martin, for one, has studied ocean thermal energy since the 1970s. Nor are small floating cities so unrealistic: they might combine aspects of offshore oilrigs and cruise ships. So what’s holding back our shift to a blue civilization? Seasteaders assign much of the blame to an ineffectual public sector. “Technology evolves,” Quirk said. “Governments don’t evolve.”

That belief is shared worldwide. Or so suggests Edelman’s 2014 Trust Barometer, which found global trust in the private sector to be 14 per cent higher than in the public sector, the largest such gap in the survey’s history. “People see companies as a better place to rest their hopes than governments,” Edelman cleantech vice-president Joey Marquart told me. Technology developers were the most trusted of all. “Tech gives this sense of the possible,” he said, “this sense of inventing our way out of [crises].”

Libertarian roots

For Seasteaders, those crises aren’t just environmental. On a planet with seven billion people, but only 196 national governments, they believe we’re in desperate need of fresh political ideas. The high seas for them represent a vast fluid laboratory, outside the control of land-based authorities, where experimental micro-nations can flourish. “We envision a future where… political pioneers are trying out their ideas in a sort of research and development department on the ocean,” Quirk said.

Media outlets as diverse as Mother Jones, NPR, the Globe and Mail, BBC News, Fox Business and Reason Magazine have run stories on that vision. It’s evidence, in Quirk’s opinion, that the Seasteading meme has “captured the imaginations of people all across the political spectrum.” Quirk, a self-described “political agnostic,” argues a shared belief in technology’s potential to fix world problems is what unites the Institute’s own staff, who identify as “progressive, conservative, libertarian and confused.”

Yet there’s no confusion over Seasteading’s ideological roots. Co-founder Patri Friedman is a strong believer — like his grandfather, Milton — in limited government and personal freedom. He thinks technology can achieve these libertarian ideals faster than democratic politics. “Technology alters incentives,” he once wrote in the right-leaning Cato Institute’s web journal, “which is a far more effective way to achieve widespread change than to attempt to fight human biases or change minds.”

A growing number of libertarians see such potential in renewable energy. The son of 1964 presidential candidate (and conservative icon) Barry Goldwater is now leading an Arizona campaign to oppose centralized restrictions on rooftop solar panels, and equate “energy choice” with personal liberty. Similar efforts are underway in Hawaii and Georgia. They’re flanks of an emerging global shift to decentralized energy that General Electric recently estimated could by 2020 be worth $206 billion.

A new frontier

For now, a floating city-state capable of producing its own energy, solving hunger, curing sickness and fixing climate change is no more real than the fictitious island society envisioned 500 years ago by Francis Bacon. Yet Seasteaders not long ago crowdfunded $27,000 to pay for an aquatic design by Dutch firm DeltaSync. And matching funds came from a philanthropic foundation run by Paypal co-founder and early Facebook investor Peter Thiel, which has put over $1.25 million into Seasteading.

Thiel also funds efforts to reverse aging and prepare for machines smarter than humans. He wants to reclaim the Jetsons-era zeitgeist of the 1950s and ’60s, when human creation felt limitless. “The collapse of the idea of the future” for him began with the 1973 oil shocks. Since then we’ve faced one global crisis after another. Only by liberating our technological potential, Quirk thinks, can humankind overcome them. “We’re not going to save humanity by making people live like they did hundreds of years ago,” he said.

Hundreds of years ago, when Bacon was writing The New Atlantis, he also conceived of technology as a tool to achieve “the enlarging of the bounds of Human Empire.” Yet he hinted at some of the future dilemmas “that arise with the ability to remake and reconfigure the natural world,” argues one interpretation, such as the tension between unshackled innovation, and its potential to destroy us. What are crises like climate change, after all, but unintended consequences of our modern industrial epoch?

I thought of that tension later as I walked through San Francisco’s Castro district and up onto the exposed Twin Peaks high above. Why were some people so fervently convinced, I wondered, that the same explosion of technology imperilling future human existence would also save it? To the east I looked out over the Financial District, and towards the drought-ravaged Californian interior. But to the west I saw only the shimmering blue Pacific Ocean, and a cloudless horizon.

The Theory that YACHTIES living permanently on their boats are already a “kind of seasteading population” has been coined | here

Picture Marine Architect Matias Volco | Floatingislands

Existing oceanic trade hub ventures - the market Seasteading will have to compete with…

Sandbank building on large scale | more here

We can predict evolution best when looking at the most advanced things we see now what is driving them already and then project this into the future. Asuming the same forces will continue to shape our world.

We have:

• existing network of oceanic connections,
• hubs, and ports, with floating wharfs
• free trade, non interference
• stateless society with emerging laws
• ocean oriented city states like Venice and Monaco
• landfill projects creating real estate on large scale ( ref 943 )

powering human activity on the oceans already.

In a future we will have:

• more of it
• bigger units of it (ships, ports, repair facilities, floating cities)
• more society segments joinig it for longer times
• less influence of states in it
• and billionairs making fortunes on this frontier ( invest now )
• the key technologies will just be a small step away from what we have already (bottleneck1, internet, just on time shipping, matrix printing, composite technologies for construction)

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(Wilfried Ellmer) #13

“I believe that we are over-invested in talk relative to action and in politics relative to technology…” - Patri Friedmann

• Seasteads with role : dedicated purpose islands

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Before we colonize space, we may want to colonize our own oceans first

Meghan Bartels | 17.08.2016

We dream of putting humans on Mars, mining the moon, and looking for life on one of Jupiter’s moons. But we forget sometimes that there are whole worlds left to explore here on Earth.

And we rarely stop to consider the fact that those worlds may well be easier to live in than exotic locales far beyond our own planet.

We dream of putting humans on Mars, mining the moon, and looking for life on one of Jupiter’s moons. But we forget sometimes that there are whole worlds left to explore here on Earth.

And we rarely stop to consider the fact that those worlds may well be easier to live in than exotic locales far beyond our own planet.

“It was glorious being able to breathe underwater,” Earle said during a public panel earlier this year. Being underwater still requires support, but at least it doesn’t take a rocket to get you there. “The blue part of the planet is accessible to pretty much everyone.”

Conley and Earle both highlight the technical difficulties of being born, living, and dying off our planet.

Earle called Mars “Earth without nature.” Conley points out that we’d need to figure out how to build ecosystems from scratch — strong enough ecosystems that they keep going even when something goes wrong.

But whether or not we ever colonize either space or the ocean, exploring one will help us explore the other.

We know Mars used to have an ocean, one large enough to spawn giant tsunamis we can still see traces of today. And the only permanent underseas lab in the world is used by NASA because they can actually test spacewalk techniques in a fairly realistic environment.

• Seasteading has many axes of development, many colors, and many tastes…

(Wilfried Ellmer) #14

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How Steve Jurvetson is investing in world- (and Mars-) changing ideas (podcast)

Dylan Tweney October 23, 2014 6:14 PM | VentureBeat

Steve Jurvetson is one of the most interesting investors in Silicon Valley.

An accomplished photographer and amateur rocketry enthusiast, he’s also a former chip designer and a polymath interested in everything from genomics to space travel to agriculture to machine learning.

But he’s no dilettante: He’s delved deeply enough into a variety of fields that he’s been able to identify trends early, make prescient bets, and generate billions of dollars in returns. He was the founding VC investor in Hotmail, Interwoven, Kana, and NeoPhotonics, among many others.

A partner at legendary venture capital firm Draper Fisher Jurvetson, he currently sits on the boards of SpaceX, Synthetic Genomics, and Tesla Motors. And he’s a good friend of Elon Musk, the founder of two of those companies.

VentureBeat’s Richard Reilly and I spent half an hour talking with Jurvetson for this week’s podcast. It was a fascinating conversation that started with Musk’s plans to build a greenhouse on Mars, covered the logistics of space launches and regular Mars travel, extended to embrace the electrification of transportation (which is already well underway in China, Jurvetson informed us), and ended with a rapid survey of the areas Jurvetson is focusing on for possible investment.

What it all boils down to, he told us, is that he looks for opportunities to use engineered processes to transform whole systems.

Listen to the podcast to find out more. It’s like a roller coaster ride for your brain.

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Seasteading: a Silicon Valley pipedream or the future of our children?

Shura Collinson | November 28, 2016 3:13pm

Peter Thiel, a German-American billionaire entrepreneur and investor, caused a near-tidal wave of outrage ahead of the recent U.S. presidential election when he set himself apart from most of Silicon Valley by coming out in favour of Donald Trump.

But victory was on Trump’s side, and Thiel has since been named to the executive committee of the president elect’s transition team. It was hardly the first time Thiel – a co-founder of PayPal and partner in the prestigious Y Combinator accelerator – had backed a winner: he was the first outside investor in Facebook, and remains on its board of directors.

Nor was Trump’s bid for the presidency the first ambitious and seemingly doomed project that Thiel has thrown his support behind. He has funded a startup devoted to making nuclear fusion viable, and in 2008 co-founded the Seasteading Institute, a non-profit think tank based in Silicon Valley whose goal is the creation of floating cities.

The dream of the Seasteading Institute was presented in Moscow last month at the Open Innovations forum held at the Skolkovo Technopark, where author Joe Quirk took to the main stage to show artists’ impressions of utopian floating cities in calm waters that were a far cry from the Moscow snow and slush outside.

Seasteading isn’t just about the life aquatic for pleasure’s sake, or about escaping rising sea levels (though the latter is also a key incentive). Its proponents seek emancipation from government regulation and restrictions in order to go about their work unhindered and to test new ideas for government.

“Seasteaders are a diverse global community of nautical engineers, aquaculture farmers, maritime attorneys, medical researchers, security personnel and investors, and we plan to build politically independent cities that float on the ocean,” said Quirk, who together with Patri Friedman, another founder of the Seasteading Institute, has written a book due out in March titled “Seasteading: How Ocean Cities Could Change the World.”

“The greatest and most important business opportunity is startup governance, startup countries,” said Quirk. “If you want a platform for governance innovation, it’s time to break away and try something new. So my colleagues and I at the Seasteading Institute set out to start a business to create the Silicon Valley of the sea.”

An aquatic testing ground

The “seavangelists,” as Quirk describes himself, aren’t the first group of entrepreneurs to have called for the creation of an unfettered space for inventors and scientists. Google co-founder Larry Page has also said the tech community should be able to “set aside a small part of the world” to allow experimentation, while others have called for Silicon Valley to become an independent state.

Quirk is confident that the freedom to innovate and experiment will attract buyers.

“Business people want new jurisdictions for innovations: build it and they will come. Technologists and countries will come to us,” he believes.

The business model for the seasteads is that the creators would sell the real estate that they create, as well as stakes in companies that will operate on them.

If freedom from regulation is not enough, there will be other advantages to a life on the waves: a cheaper cost of living, a lower risk of crime and advantageous tax rates, Quirk argues. The rationale is based on the experience of cruise ships, which, he notes, just keep getting bigger and bigger.

“Cruise ships are floating cities that are de facto self-governing. They are semi-independent pioneers of the blue frontier: They dock in one nation, fly the flag of another nation, and pick up passengers from another,” says Quirk.

The captain of a cruise ship, argues Quirk, is “a de facto dictator of his own global island,” in that he can lock up passengers who misbehave towards other people on the ship.

“Park a dozen of these floating skyscrapers next to each other, and you’ve got the rudiments of an aquapolis,” said Quirk.

French Polynesian pioneer

The vision frequently sounds more like science fiction than a plan for the future, and there is no shortage of sceptics of seasteading. Media reports have described the Seasteading Institute’s vision as “a secessionist daydream” and “techie island fantasies,” and the topic of seasteading has its own page on, a website devoted to debunking pseudoscience and “crank ideas.”

There, the authors point to the fact that previous attempts to set up autonomous strongholds in the sea have generally failed miserably, such as the Republic of Minerva set up on reclaimed land in the South Pacific in 1972 (swiftly dispersed by the government of nearby Tonga), the Republic of the Island of Roses founded on a manmade platform in the Adriatic Sea in 1968 (blown up by the Italian Navy) and Operation Atlantis, a large ship that sank in the Bahamas in 1971.

But the Seasteading Institute may have the advantage of having agreed first with a host nation before getting to work on its utopian dream.

In September, representatives of the Seasteading Institute visited French Polynesia at the invitation of the nation’s president Édouard Fritch, and the organisation is now preparing to sign a memorandum of understanding on the creation of the world’s first seastead in its territorial waters, according to Quirk.

“If the memorandum is agreed upon and signed, we plan to create an environmentally sound, self-sustaining floating island starting with two or three island platforms,” he said.

“These floating communities will adapt organically to sea level change, and they will offer significant regulatory autonomy so people can experiment with new societies,” explained Quirk.

“French Polynesia has about 50 uninhabited islands, so we asked them to legislate one as a Special Economic Zone. Simultaneously, we build a floating community inside the natural wave-breaker of an atoll, and declare it a Sea Zone, with a little more legal autonomy [than on land], unprecedented in the world. Our floating village, as it profits and grows, will leave territorial waters and go out into international waters,” he said.

The idea of ocean cities has also attracted interest and financial support from members of the public. More than 1,000 people have donated to the Seasteading Institute, according to Quirk, and when the non-profit organisation launched a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo in 2013, it raised more than the $20,000 it was looking for and which the Thiel Foundation had pledged to match.

Over 3,000 potential residents have already filled out a detailed survey saying what they’d want to see in an ocean city and what they’re willing to pay for it, said Quirk.

Practical planning

If the ideological inspiration for seasteads comes partly from cruise ships, the technical plans – for the Seasteading Institute has done more than simply talk about the prospect of living on the sea – have their roots in oil rigs, which are also getting bigger, and where workers already live for up to half of the year.

“An oil rig is basically a city block without all the frills, and if you take away the incredibly expensive infrastructure of drilling on the ocean floor for fossil fuel, it gets a lot cheaper,” said Quirk.

In French Polynesia, the institute envisages a series of floating platforms, each about 50 metres wide, constructed of reinforced concrete with basalt rebar, which doesn’t corrode in salt water.

It will be, he says, “like a floating Venice,” and the platforms will be able to be locked together for more stability if the sea is unsettled.

The prototype for the floating island project has already been built, says Quirk: the solar-powered sustainable Floating Pavilion in Rotterdam made by Blue 21, which describes itself as a social enterprise devoted to creating cities on water.

That’s not to say that the engineering can simply be transferred to French Polynesia, however. The plan for the first seastead relies on a floating wave breaker which has not been invented yet, Quirk admits, and would necessitate shipping cement all the way from New Zealand.

There are also legal issues to be addressed in the Seasteading Institute’s plan, including differences between French law and French Polynesian law, according to Quirk, and a month after his talk at the Open Innovations forum, no signing of a memorandum has yet been announced.

But proponents of building cities on the sea, like Thiel, are unlikely to be deterred by naysayers. After all, a year ago, there were many who believed that Trump had zero chance of winning the Republican candidacy, never mind the presidency.

Quirk for one is adamant that seasteading is the future, telling the audience in Moscow:

“Throw out the calendars, because this is month two of the aquatic age, and your children are going to be living on floating cities.”

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Out to sea, out of mind

The secret offshore world of the superrich

by John Urry

Warren Buffett once remarked that we were in the midst of a new class war. “There is class warfare, all right,” he said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

One of the ways the rich have waged this war has been through offshoring: moving resources, practices, people and money from one national territory to another and hiding them within secrecy jurisdictions.

Offshoring involves evading rules, laws, taxes, regulations or norms in ways that are either illegal or against the spirit of the law. Offshore worlds developed because of mobility systems that transport people, money, information and objects across the oceans. These include not only physical infrastructure to move cargo ships, planes, cars and trucks but also virtual infrastructure like electronic money-transfer systems and taxation, legal and financial expertise for avoiding national regulations.

This offshoring world is dynamic, reorganizing economic, social, political and material relations among societies and also within them. Above all, it is secretive. This makes it a paradise for the rich, a vision of the world almost without government, taxes and laws, where only the powerful, their ships and their companies survive and everyone else is left — sometimes literally — to sink to the bottom.
Secret paradises

Offshoring is a key part of globalization. Throughout the 1990s, it was a widely held belief that the global movement of money, people, ideas, images, information and objects was economically, politically and culturally beneficial. Most aspects of contemporary societies were thought to have been positively transformed through increased borderlessness.

But the ’90s did not turn out to be the harbinger of an optimistic and borderless future. It turns out that there’s a dark side to constant movement. Moving across borders are many new risks, trafficked men and women, drug runners, terrorists, criminals, slave traders, smuggled workers, waste, financial risks and untaxed trillions — to name just a few downsides. They inhabit various secret spheres designed to enable movement out of sight. Central to these offshore worlds are the vast oceans.

Since some 7 billion humans are crowded onto just one-quarter of the earth’s surface, oceans provide ways to obscure what would otherwise be onshore and therefore visible. There are ships flying flags of convenience where work conditions for seafarers are driven to rock bottom. There are places in the sea where many poor migrants have lost their lives in transit to what they hoped would be a better life. Oceans are a global rubbish dump, with the great Pacific garbage patch twice the size of France.

This new global order is thus the opposite of open and transparent. It is a world of concealment, of secret gardens mainly orchestrated in and for the rich class. Tax havens are places of escape and freedom, often with nice beaches. But it’s not the sun and sand that have recalibrated the entire global economy in a few short decades. That shift is to blame on another kind of paradise — the paradise of low taxes, wealth management, deregulation and secrecy.

Since the 1980s, there has been an astonishing growth in the movement of wealth to and through the world’s 60 to 70 tax havens, which today represent at least one-quarter of existing countries. These tax havens are as likely to be in the middle of nowhere as in your own backyard. They include Switzerland, Monaco, Liechtenstein, Manhattan, the City of London, Panama, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Jersey, Delaware, Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai. The development of secrecy jurisdictions are core to the liberalization of the global economy that began in the 1980s, and they contributed to the ending of many currency-exchange controls — which enabled money to flow around the world and to develop the power of an unregulated shadow finance.

This rich class is the beneficiary of these havens. Almost all major companies have offshore accounts or subsidiar­ies, more than half of world trade passes through them at some point, and almost all high-net-worth individuals possess offshore accounts enabling tax planning (i.e., avoidance). Ninety-nine of Europe’s hundred largest com­panies use offshore subsidiaries. It has been calculated that one-quarter to one-third of all global wealth is held offshore.

Despite governments’ constant assertions that they are cracking down on tax evasion and avoidance,offshored money has grown from $11 billion in 1968 to $21 trillion in 2010 (equivalent to about one-third of annual world income). According to the Tax Justice Network’s calculations, fewer than 10 million people own this $21 trillion offshore fortune, a sum equivalent to the combined GDPs of the United States and Japan. This is the source of power and wealth of the superrich, with almost all owing their fortunes in part to the rapid and secret moving of money and ownership.

In “Treasure Islands,” his 2011 book about tax havens, Nicholas Shaxson shows that offshore is how the world of power now works. Money staying onshore is almost now the exception, suitable only for the little people still paying taxes. Big, institutional money is often offshored in one way or another. Shaxson describes how the United States is by a far the world’s most important secrecy jurisdiction. In the little state of Delaware, there is a single building that houses 217,000 companies. Shaxson conservatively calculates the annual loss of taxation from this offshoring world at hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars. The offshore world also makes it hard for small and medium-size companies to compete.
Nowhere men

“You don’t live anywhere, and neither does your money,” one commentator said about being a billionaire. “Or, rather, you live everywhere, and so does your money.” This life involves rapid movement across the oceans, with homes dotted around the world, endless business travel, private schools, family structured around occasional get-togethers, private leisure clubs, luxury ground transport, airport lounges, private jets, luxury destinations and places of distinction and luxury for encountering other superrich people. Place, property and power are intertwined in forming and sustaining such a networked and often hidden rich class.

And the consequences of offshoring are not just to heighten the privileges of the superrich. It also means that the rest of society suffers, from the loss of tax revenue and higher taxes paid by the little people, from the deterioration of public services, from a lack of control of resources, from images of the good life that are unsustainable and from an inability to effect a collective response to major issues like climate change.

We neglect these offshore worlds at our peril, especially in examining how what has escaped offshore might ever be reshored. This offshoring and lack of transparency is bad for democratic governance and for societies’ ever being able to move together toward a better future. The motto for these water worlds might as well be “Out to sea and out of mind.”

This argument is developed in: John Urry’s “Offshoring,” Polity (2014). Visit this link for a short offshoring video.

John Urry is a distinguished professor of sociology and the director of the Centre for Mobilities Research at Lancaster University. His recent books include “Climate Change and Society” (2011) and “Societies Beyond Oil” (2013).

This article reflects John Urry’s opinion about offshoring - which is not exactly coincident with the opinion of the forum owners…the reason we print it here is because it gives a “comprehensive overview” to the topic.

Balaji Srinivasan on Silicon Valley’s Ultimate Exit

October 22, 2013 by Charlie Deist

Seasteading supporter Balaji S. Srinivasan is the poster child of a modern-day pioneer. Seeing the limits of old ways of doing things, he founded Counsyl, a prenatal genetic testing company, to extend the technological frontier in medicine. Balaji recently spoke at Y Combinator’s startup school and boldly proposed pushing the frontier a step further, suggesting a framework for thinking about “Silicon Valley’s Ultimate Exit” (click to see slides). The reference should sound familiar to seasteaders, given our emphasis on the “opt-in/opt-out” mechanism as the lever for change, to complement and empower the people’s voice in society.

In a masterful analogy, Balaji asks if the USA has become the “Microsoft” of international politics. Chief among the similarities is that no one in has a choice but to “buy” the USA as the world’s dominant “operating system.” Just as Google displaced Microsoft’s hegemony over basic computing, a new crop of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs and companies are eclipsing the government, along with old co-dependent industries in Hollywood (entertainment), New York City (media), and Boston (academia).

But the “ultimate exit,” he said, will come with the advent of complete societies run by technology and governed on an entirely opt-in/opt-out basis. Influential Silicon Valley entrepreneurs like Larry Page, Marc Andreessen, Peter Thiel and Elon Musk have in various ways staked their reputation on such a development, signaling that new ways of running society might be very near indeed.


Ancient Marine Powers, Trade, Oceanic Hubs, Key Players

(Wilfried Ellmer) #16

The topic of power generation is discussed currently on the “power generation thread” atomic energy is not really on the top of my list:

• Wind Turbines | ORES |
• Pelamis | ref. 985* |
• Current Turbines
• Algea Bio Fuel
• GeoThermal from the mid ocean ridge
• Helium 3 from the mid ocean ridge

context :

• | host nations polynesia supply hubs ports |

Who will invest ?

Where are the [technology limits of concrete construction in the ocean](

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Oceanic Aquaculture, Ocean Colonization the only way to feed humanity

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Host Countries and Interference Levels

Seasteading is about investors



Why must every post by Elmo either be

… a direct commercial for his “investment” scheme …

… or include a hyperlink to a commercial for his “investment” scheme?

Q - Does Elmo ever post anything other than a commercial for his “investment” scheme? :unamused:

A - NO !!! :open_mouth:


He is becoming more oblique about it… Last several topics with hyperlinks lead to tsi pages of his hyperlinks… :smiley:

(Wilfried Ellmer) #19

… trolls shush…go away

Go Wet, Young Man

Dec 7, 2016 | By Tyler Cowen

Following the election of Donald Trump, some Americans are asking whether they should move to Canada. Yet a more radical idea is re-emerging as a vehicle for political liberty, namely seasteading. That’s the founding of new and separate governance units on previously unoccupied territory, possibly on the open seas.

Imagine, for instance, autonomously governed sea platforms, with a limited number of citizens selling health and financial services to the rest of the world. Advances in robotics and artificial intelligence might make the construction and settlement of such institutions more practical than it seemed 15 years ago.

Although seasteading is sometimes viewed as an extension of self-indulgent Silicon Valley utopianism, we should not dismiss the idea too quickly. Variants on seasteading led to the founding of the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand, with the caveat that conquest was involved, as these territories were not unsettled at the time. Circa 2016, there is a potential seasteading experiment due in French Polynesia (more information here). The melting of the Arctic ice may open up new areas for human settlement. Chinese construction of artificial islands in the South China Sea raises the prospect that the private sector, or a more liberty-oriented government, might someday do the same. Along more speculative lines, there is talk about someday colonizing Mars or even Titan, a moon of Saturn. On the intellectual front, a book about seasteading, by Joe Quirk and Patri Friedman, is due out in March of 2017.

Seasteading obviously faces significant obstacles. The eventual constraint is probably not technology in the absolute sense, but whether there is enough economic motive to forsake the benefits of densely populated human settlements and the protection of traditional nation-states. Many nations have effective corporate tax rates in the 10- to 20-percent range, which doesn’t seem confiscatory enough to take to the high seas for economic motives alone. Furthermore, current outposts such as Dubai, Singapore and the Cayman Islands offer varied legal and regulatory environments for doing business, in addition to the comforts of landlubber society. More and more foreign businesses are incorporating in Delaware to enjoy the benefits of American law. So, for all the inefficiencies and petty tyrannies of the modern world, seasteading faces pretty stiff competition.

Counterintuitively, I see the greatest promise for seasteading as a path toward more rather than less human companionship.

It is sometimes forgotten there is a good deal of de facto seasteading today, in the form of cruise ships. They sail in international waters, are owned by private corporations and the law on board is generated by contract and governed by private arbitration. Plenty of cruise lines and ships compete for business in a relatively unregulated environment, with global business approaching $40 billion a year, in the range of the gross domestic product of countries such as Ghana, Serbia or Turkmenistan.

One lesson of current seasteading is that it is not much of a vehicle for political liberty. To be sure, customers choose their cruise lines freely. (You might opt for the forthcoming Donald Trump Victory Cruise.) Still, the actual substance of most cruise contracts brings little democratic participation or libertarian autonomy on the high seas. The cruise companies don’t hesitate to regulate passenger behavior for the good of the broader enterprise.

The second and more important lesson is that some of the elderly have started living on cruise ships full-time. A good assisted-living facility might cost $80,000 a year in the U.S., more than many year-long cruises. (Cruising could also be cheaper than living in an expensive neighborhood.) Furthermore, the cruise offers regular contact with other passengers and also the crew, and the lower average age means that fewer of one’s friends and acquaintances are passing away. The weather may be better, and there is the option of going onshore to visit relatives and go shopping.

The cruise ship removes the elderly from full-service hospitals, but on the plus side, regular social contact is good for health, passengers are watched much of the time and there is a doctor minutes away. Better health and human companionship could be major motives for this form of seasteading. I could imagine many more of the elderly going this route in the future, and some cruise lines already are offering regular residences on board.

The goal of this seasteading enterprise is to pack people more tightly together rather than to open up broad new vistas for a Wild West kind of settlement. The proprietors make physical space more scarce, not less, to induce better clustering. So seasteading does have a future, but it is to join and build a new and crowded communitarian project, not to get away from one.

Ocean Sphere Artist version

Floating City light concrete honeycomb shell architecture

Breakwater Design

Concrete Shells | Geopolymere

The submarine cable infrastructure - backbone of Internet

Possible uses for seasteads

What matters is the place on the evolutionary line of Seasteading

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All national law pretending to regulate the ocean is dead law by default


Decent article. Wish he’d look into the other ideas, not just the TSI mondo-condo barge. He’d see more of that ‘open-vista’ he bemoans as lacking.

Why is it, you come in this forum and try to run things, when TSI most BLATANTLY and OBVIOUSLY hasn’t asked you to be a moderator, paid or otherwise? You set ‘ground rules for scientific debate’ then immediately ignore the science and start begging for opinions, you clamor for discussion, then tell everyone they are wrong, and that your way is the ONLY way, you beg for investors, even claim to HAVE investors, yet have no stocks or bonds available in public trading, etc., and are not even attempting to build anything, anymore…

Hypothesis: Wilfried Ellmer is the TSI Troll
Evidence: Constant personal attacks on others
Constant denigration of Documented Science
Incessant clamor for attention, to the exclusion of any idea he doesn’t foment as 'worthy’
Even has his own, archived Toodler Link to berate others with.
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