A Marinea Update

(Larry G) #41

Price reduced form $15 mil to $5 mil.

Ship building is really In a hurting mode right now:


This NEW Cement storage barge was built to extra heavy US standards under ABS supervision. She was built as a cement storage barge, but can be used for other purposes. The heavy strengthened deck of the barge was built to be able to hold a self-unloader.

560’ length, 105’ beam 39’ depth and 26’ draft. 16 metric tons/sq meter capacity. That would provide a lot of area fr business and support several stories of luxury hotel accommodations.

(Bob LLewellyn) #42

That is one big barge, too bad it’s in China, it would look even more attractive if it was on this side of the world.

From time to time we have people informing us that there were projects that came before that never made it. This week Shane, our communications specialist, wrote a very good magazine article about the past, present and future of seasteads. It’s worth the read.

(Bob LLewellyn) #43

Coming September the Marinea Project will make a change to its business structure. While other companies or projects are trying to do everything at once with all new technology, our business center is already built and waiting for payment. Our interest was to get a project started to show that the concept of an independent floating village was not so far fetched.

The problem is, as a new company with little backing, everyone questions, why should I join at this time, I’ll just wait to see what happens. And nothing ever does, because the project is dependent on its members. This is a catch 22 situation.

We tried a motivation inducement and offered one sea-note with a paid membership for the first 100,000 members, world wide. This didn’t have the motivational appeal that we hoped for, so we needed to change it a bit. Instead of giving the sea-note to the new member, we will begin to give the member that invited him the sea-note until we top 100,000 memberships.

Our long term goal is 1 Million members but we have to get the bandwagon rolling. Once we have our ideas in front of enough people we will achieve a point where the project is self sustaining. In science, this point is called critical mass. Marinea may achieve this point prior to 1M members but certainly by 1M, everyone will have heard about us in particular and ocean colonization in general.

What would really help all the projects would be for everyone to start working on ways to get attention in the media. There is money out there looking for a good investment, we just have to find a way to get that info out there in the first place. For this, we are looking at a referral program of a sort. Nothing new there, but is it the best way to get new members? As usual, communications are the greatest obstacle to progress. With the kind of minds on this forum, I should think that someone could design a way to get new ideas out to the public.

Feed back encouraged.



What is the link to your Facebook Page, Bob?

(Bob LLewellyn) #45

Mary has put all those media links on marinea.org front page, however here is the facebook link, https://www.facebook.com/MarineaVillageAtSea/

(Bob LLewellyn) #46

I truly hate losing opportunities. There is a class five hurricane headed right for the Sal bank and I can’t be there to take video and wave measurements. The data from first hand would have been invaluable. If anyone knows where to get live measurements from the internet, please send me the link. We need wave height and period. Wind speed, temprature and the barometric.

Most of what makes hurricanes so dangerous and costly is the storm surge. The sea level increases, the waves ride the surge for the highest water damage. However, since seasteads float, the storm surge will have no effect on Marinea. Flooding is the ultimate killer - damage-r. Of course floating cities will be impervious to flooding.

In fact since hurricane wind velocity never gets over 250 mph, pretty much any structure built to handle waves will have no problem with the wind itself. The wave is the sole hurricane danger to a floating structure.

If I could be down there, I could get the degree of pitch of the barge from one of the strongest hurricanes on record. It could help us in our planning and designs.
(expletive!!!). Maybe next time.

Other interests, the new podcast is up. https://marinea.org/podcasts/tmp005/
And I wanted to mention that we are still looking for articles on ocean living. If anyone has done a study into some aspect, and would like to help others gain from your experience, please send them to me and I’ll get Mary to put them in the blog page. villageatsea.blogspot.com

One other thing of interest is a change that we made to our membership drive. We began the drive by offering one free Sea-Note to everyone that became a member. Memberships become citizenships when Marinea becomes its own country and flying its own flag. Therefore a voice in living arrangements will be through the government. The profits from Marinea’s core businesses will be distributed to those owning Sea-Notes. Right now Sea-Notes are little more than an IOU, however, when Marinea becomes it own country, 1 Sea-Note will be accepted as full payment for citizenship. Sea-Notes are not stocks, they do not imply ownership of the barge or business, they are just how we distribute the profits from the core business. Any member wishing to get 1 / millionth of whatever profits the core business produce, may purchase any number of Sea-Notes.

The new incentive will still be a free Sea-Note but it will no longer go to the joining member but the member who sponsored the new paying member. There are no limits to how many Sea-Notes any member can have except for the fact that there are only 1 million of them. Hopefully this will enhance word of mouth advertising. Feed back always appreciated.

Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane
(Larry G) #47




(Bob LLewellyn) #48

Thanks Larry, I thought that you would have it.


Irma is a Cat 5 @ 185 mph sustained winds.

You don’t want to be in Cay Sal right now, Bob. Please,…

(Matias Volco) #50

Careful what you wish for @ForexBob, as of this hour’s forecast Irma will touch land at SC next monday and then head right to your home the day after. We can have a hurricane party after all.

(Chad Elwartowski) #51

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(Bob LLewellyn) #52

Please do not move, this is not part of a conversation, just data for the Marinea project’s update.

Weather from Sal Bank during hurricane Irma which went right over the islands.
The Florida Straights is the deep area between Miami and the Sal Bank, the Nicholas Channel is the deep area south of the Sal Bank - north of Cuba.

Nicholas Channel Location 23.4 / -80
Winds: SSE 69 to 94 knots.
Seas: SSE 36 feet at 12 seconds.

Sal Bank Location 23.5/ -80
Winds: S 52 to 71 knots.
Seas: S 13 feet at 7 seconds.

Florida Straights location 24.5 / -80
Winds: SSE 61 to 82 knots.
Seas: SSE 32 feet at 12 seconds

From this info, we can see the shallowness of the Sal Bank attenuates the wave size and period. Both south and north are 30+ feet while right between them, the bank is only 13 ft. This means a 75 ft boat could ride out the worst hurricane in recorded history by hiding behind an island. For safety sake we will add another 25 ft and suggest anyone living on a boat less than 100 feet should sail away from the village and take your boat to safety. Don’t worry, there will be no traffic problems.

Info from Buoyweather.com

Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane
(Bob LLewellyn) #53

Important Notice

It is with regret that I have to announce the suspension of the Marinea Project. The reason is simply that I have been supporting the functioning of the project and I can no longer afford that luxury. We had firmly believed that by the end of year two we would have many new members joining and making the project viable, however this has not happened as yet.

We find ourselves in a catch 22 situation. to fund the project we need a lot of members, and to get members we need publicity, … and to get publicity we need members.

We had hoped that there would be enough support from the seasteading community to help with getting that much needed publicity. A simple request was sent out: share Marinea’s social media feeds. However, not only did we discover that there was no support in the community for this project, but even members close to the project didn’t help with this much needed initial publicity phase.
To date all but one new member joined Marinea from my personal contacts, and I don’t know where the one came from, it could have been my contact also. This is tragic as Marinea was always intended to be a group effort.

There were so many missed opportunities that would have helped get the word out and promote the project. ie shows, festivals, libertarian gatherings. However there was not enough support with that aspect. We even thought that it would be a good idea for one of our project members to go to the seasteading show in FP, and one went but came back part of their project!

We only just recently found someone who can help us somewhat with our exposure, but I don’t think that he can do it alone. And I can say without reservation that I and my wife have put all that we had into making this project a success, unfortunately, it wasn’t enough.

Therefore, the Marinea Project is being put on hold. I will leave the website up with a notice that the project is on hold until someone can show us how to open this choke point of financing. Maybe some wealthy individual or group may come along and help fund it directly, or some super salesman writes to me that he can help us with our fundraising, I don’t know.

I am returning every paid member his membership fee. There is not enough money in the project’s bank account to pay everyone so I will make up the difference from my own money. But that’s it. I can’t be the only one supporting this project.

So beginning September 15, 2017 there will be a notice on each page of the website that says that the Marinea Project is on hold. All social media accounts will remain open but there will not be any time spent on finding articles and such. Marinea e-mail contact will remain active for hope, however things that cost money will not. We are in a state of suspended animation. Most likely, it will die but I can’t help it. It is what it is.

However, I should have seen this roadblock much earlier on - but I didn’t, so I take full responsibility for the failure of this project.

Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane
(Larry G) #54

Sorry to hear that, Bob. Thank you for your efforts, and the transparent communications about closing the project.


Bob, don’t give up. Heck, I’m still trying to find ways to move forward, even though I live off an income in the lower 30% of the scale, here in the US.

Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane
(.) #56

I donno if I can make a constructive comment.
Good luck, and best regards.

Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane
Boat/seastead survival in a hurricane

I 100% agree w/ JL_:

You didn’t fail, Bob… You tried and it didn’t work out. Period. BUT, you have gained precious experience. Restructure & reinvent. Walk away for a while and come back with a different perspective.


Needless to say that in the wake of Irma, my Reefstead Project is on hold indefinitely. But we will overcome,…

(Larry G) #58

Perhaps a more modest goal… A country store on the water rather than a hotel complex. Most crowd-funding applications/websites caution against trying to raise too much at one go. If the financial goal seems unrealistic to the contributors, they won’t even bother to give the few bucks that they would gladly give to a smaller project.

I also think it is important to have Prospective members feel secure in their ownership stake. This is one reason I have proposed worker owned cooperatives rather than widespread crowd sourcing of financing. Better a small number of folks with a lot of skin in the game workin hard to succeed than a large number of diffuse and incongruent interests.


I totally agree, Larry.

In fact, in the last week or so I started to question the way that I (and to a certain extent some of us interested in “small scale seasteading”) approach the goal of getting that “village at the sea” going…

Forget about design for now. Forget about building yet. Forget about engineering, logistics. etc.

Start from scratch on a different “seasteading path” by concentrating on the most important (and the most overlooked) asset in seasteading: PEOPLE.


Focus on creating a collective-association-coop-partnership of no more then 1-2 dozens determined and passionate future seasteaders who are willing to network, brainstorm and incrementally INVEST in a seasteading project that they ALL have participated in imagining and envisioning.


To be determined after achieving the first step.

PS. Maybe this should be moved on a different thread…


You only need funding, right? Have you talked to the Phoenix Foundation? They’re less active lately as one of the founders supposedly passed away a few years earlier. They’re ultra rightist, so I’m sure your goals and aims align. They were the people who attempted to build Republic of Minerva.

Of course I’m not talking about the one from MacGuyver.