550000 miles of cable hidden under the ocean that power the internet | oceanic business alliance

(Wilfried Ellmer) #1

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The infrastructure that deploys the internet is not based on satelite links, or terrestrial telecom towers. 90% of all internet traffic goes trough submarine cables.

That makes oceanic infrastructure key player - an opportunity for special purpose seasteads in data driven segments like financial services and banking - especially the question of political interference free server centers on the ocean is on the table.

The future is oceanic in many ways … some things will go oceanic to become interference free, some to follow markets and resources arround the globe, some for movement of big installations, to take advantage of the advantages of the properties of a liquid medium over “dry land”…

As the world becomes more and more ocean oriented it was predicted that the 21st centruy will see more construction activity on the ocean than on land… (Metha)

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ocean sphere data center

Submarine cable, installation, maintenance, repair, business for a “specialist seastead”…

in this context also read about other big oceanic infrastructure networks most people are not aware of : global LNG industry and its oceanic assets…

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Standardization of form factors, interconnects and modules?

Approximate map of connections, at any rate…

Overlay this with the one on typhoons and hurricanes…


Find a suitable, shallow location and see what you can get done, to access the cable…


That’s many $millions of new construction and approvals over several years. You can have satcom up and running in weeks for less.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #4

Google strong interest in submarine cable technology - they might play a similar role in ocean colonization as the Railroad company did in the frontier development of the American West or the East India Company in the development of the British Marine Empire…


So call them up, Ellmer, ask them how much to hit your floating seastead with a terabit line. Or ask C&W , they are popular in the Carribean.

(Jonas Smith) #6

I’m confused. What does this have to do with building floating cities on the ocean? Are you saying seasteads could act as cable layers? Or provide cable maintenance? Are you saying seasteads would act like hubs to these cables?


My Mom lost a good portion of her retirement invested in GlobalCrossing, which laid a lot of those wires then went bankrupt.

Currently, the wires are used primarily to deliver spam, allow China and Russia to hack into secure US networks, and to allow US corporation to use Indian tech support people.

It’s a race to the bottom because the underwater wires are being supplanted by satellite networks.

And this has nothing to do with seasteading.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #8

keep posting - there seem a lot of confusion and perception errors in this field we need to talk about to paint a clearer and more informed picture…

Presented Hypothesis:

  • underwater cables are obsolete technology
  • global cable networks have nothing to do with seasteading
  • a seastead has no way to be a net access point

Anybody knowledgable to refute or confirm one of those “wild hypothesis” on a solid knowledge base ?

(Jonas Smith) #9

I agree, there is a lot of confusion and perception errors…


I agree too, there is a lot of confusion and perception errors…


IMHO, no amount of money is going to buy a tap into an undersea cable. Those that own and operate them aren’t going to want you tied in, with some extra-special permanent junction and they certainly won’t want folks having the potential to further disturb the networks.

MAYBE, if you lay your own cable (or hire them to do so), they’ll let you tie in, along some coast, but any patchwork is a pending failure, or even disaster in the making.


So, you’re proposing to remove the cables and have crappy com-sat communications replace them? Or maybe you’re thinking microwave relays at sea?


I’m getting confused about who said what and if you are arguing with yourself. Because this all shows up as if only JL was talking about it:

(Wilfried Ellmer) #14

for the confused relevant knowledge base - helps to understand…


What i said, in completeness is:

and has nothing to do with what Wikipedia says about submarine cables. What i was referring to is how what JL said looks like he is arguing with himself because the forum software won’t nest quotes. There, i went back and edited stuff after someone replied to it like Ellmer often does.

(Wilfried Ellmer) #16

@KatOnTri knowledge base - this info clears things up…


You $%^&$% , you cannot understand the difference between

  1. knowledge of the topic
  2. the html webpage formatting of the discussion



Something was said that wasn’t clear, i asked for clarification, you are the one who decided to call me on that and begin the trash talk here.

You see how i quoted Ellmer and then he edited what he said after i quoted it and replied to it. You can decide for yourself if he said what i quoted, or if his edited post is what he originally said.


It doesn’t ordinarily nest, so it looked that way. I have no idea why it did it, nor any idea what removing a blank line did, to fix it. I was going to try to see if the “/quote” had jumped, but it was where it belonged. I have no clue why it was all in the box.


Software glitch? I went in to edit and it appears to have fixed itself, in my post, but, further, NOT repaired in your quote of the glitch.